What's holding you up from buying LIVE ?

ekko · Post by **ekko** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:54 pm

phonk wrote:
yeah that puts me off for the moment , different people have different needs you see ? now become a real musician and maybe you'll see what i mean...music doesn't only means stacking loops together and tweaking a little bit, stop eating baby food man...

Wow, that's pretty funny, especially since the latest commercial spot that I just scored is for a line of baby food. (Flight dates are for mid-March: Lifetime Channel and Oxygen will get most of the buys.)

My music is broadcast on national the national media daily. TV and radio spots. If that's "baby food" to you buddy, well then, more power to you.

mexique1 · Post by **mexique1** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:02 pm

hey, take it easy i said

(i don't like this smiley >

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majors are more killing music than i am ! and maybe, music's already dead

you're fighting the wrong enemy...

and you can make evocative music without knowing what a 7th minor chord is !!! you can make a pad out of a snare if you want...

nevermind, i know what i'm doing...
music is like reality and truth, there's not ONE reality, not ONE truth... it's multiple and complex...
my music means something for me, maybe it will mean nothing for you, but i really don't care ! i make music for me, not for sale... it's kind of a therapy, you know ?

Any muppet can loop 3 samples of talented musicians together and it will sound similar to music, but it is not the same

it's like a good and a bad hunter, hu ?
when i listen to something and i like it, i don't give a fuck about knowing if the author has employed a real guitar or a patch in Reason or whatever, do you ? only the result counts... the result, you know ? what you call music... music is just evocative noise in fact...

peacefully, alex

phonk · Post by **phonk** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:07 pm

ekko wrote:Wow, that's pretty funny, especially since the latest commercial spot that I just scored is for a line of baby food. (Flight dates are for mid-March: Lifetime Channel and Oxygen will get most of the buys.)

My music is broadcast on national the national media daily. TV and radio spots. If that's "baby food" to you buddy, well then, more power to you.

Buddy when you'll have more concern about how to make a chord, you'll get into that wonderfull process of making music, as much as i respect commercial spots for baby food you're not going to challenge your creativity by stacking loops....
time for a nappy change !

ekko · Post by **ekko** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:11 pm

Dude, you're really pushing it. You really don't know what the F you're talking about.

I score from scratch, using a variety of tools and live session players. I start with a piano and a stack of manuscript paper and a pencil.

You really need to get a clue before coming into some forum as a newbie and start tossing off about what you think others do based on your extremely narrow-range of musical experiences. So you listen to Squarepusher. Big f'n deal. Grow up, kid.

Winterpark · Post by **Winterpark** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:13 pm

chords are soooo last millenium.

... and f.f.s. lighten up!...

too much testosterone and arrogance going around.

ekko · Post by **ekko** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:15 pm

...besides, I can just play a single note and let the "Chord" plugin do all the work for me, right?

FFS is right.

Winterpark · Post by **Winterpark** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:17 pm

ekko wrote:...besides, I can just play a single note and let the "Chord" plugin do all the work for me, right?

FFS is right.

phonk · Post by **phonk** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:26 pm

ekko wrote:Dude, you're really pushing it. You really don't know what the F you're talking about.

I score from scratch, using a variety of tools and live session players. I start with a piano and a stack of manuscript paper and a pencil.

You really need to get a clue before coming into some forum as a newbie and start tossing off about what you think others do based on your extremely narrow-range of musical experiences. So you listen to Squarepusher. Big f'n deal. Grow up, kid.

Dude i went into that forum with a simple question, i wasn't beging for a ridiculous metaphore about the color of the underside of the wheelwells of a bmw ! do you have to be a expert member to post such unusefull reply (shall i quote you ?)
Now thinking that i have a extremly narrow musical experience, because i saisd i was listening to squarepusher sound pretty childish to me ! who needs to grow up kid !
Stop showing off !!!

mexique1 · Post by **mexique1** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:28 pm

mais vas-y fait peter une reponse en francais

ok, i send you a private message

You really need to get a clue before coming into some forum as a newbie and start tossing off about what you think others do based on your extremely narrow-range of musical experiences. So you listen to Squarepusher. Big f'n deal. Grow up, kid

is this for me ???

well, i stop feeding this debate, it's like talking about Mac or PC... it's a religion war

"tout le monde fait, fait, fait c'qui lui plait, plait, plait"

ekko · Post by **ekko** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:50 pm

phonk wrote: Dude i went into that forum with a simple question, i wasn't beging for a ridiculous metaphore about the color of the underside of the wheelwells of a bmw ! do you have to be a expert member to post such unusefull reply (shall i quote you ?)

Well then stop assuming that anyone that's not using "advanced quantizing and midi editing" is merely "stacking loops."

Anyway, you started this thread saying that you aren't buying Live because it lacks these features. So what? Put it in the suggestions forum, not here. If the lack of quantizing is preventing you from making your music, well, I'm sorry to hear that. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (to continue your baby metaphor). Live can do a zillion other things quite well. That's all I'm saying. Nitpicking Live's features isn't what the General Forum is for.

phonk · Post by **phonk** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:57 pm

I'm happy we're friends agin !
the fact is that i can't wait to switch from digital performer to live for it's stability, fun and ergonomy...but i'm not going to ditch my DAW now just because LIVE looks cool, i was just interested in other people opinion that's all !
now i'm going to bed dude coz where i live it's already 3oclock and guess what : i'm going to sleep like a baby

mexique1 · Post by **mexique1** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:57 pm

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:15 pm

phonk wrote:I'm happy we're friends agin !
the fact is that i can't wait to switch from digital performer to live for it's stability, fun and ergonomy...but i'm not going to ditch my DAW now just because LIVE looks cool, i was just interested in other people opinion that's all !
now i'm going to bed dude coz where i live it's already 3oclock and guess what : i'm going to sleep like a baby

i realize you'd like more specialized micro midi functions a'la digital performer or logic. but remember what live started out as. i've been a user since 1.5 and i never invisioned live being anything resembling DP or any other "DAW", its not a DAW. Think of it more like an instrument than a multitrack recorder with midi.

with that said, if you want the unique features of Live combined with the things you still can't give up in DP - then rewire.

Skylit · Post by **Skylit** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:50 pm

Honestly: what's stopping me from buying Live is one annoying thing I can't stand:
COPY PROTECTION SCHEME!!!
I don't want to have something that has to authorize by connecting to the internet. And you are allowed to do this only 2 times! What if I change my hardware or format the harddisk??? I reinstall windows quite often whenever it is necessary. So?...
I want a tool that would work for me even if I'm lost in the desert or if I find my dusty laptop in 5 years time.

Live is fantastic, and I can't resist it anymore, but this aspect is what drives me insane and I can't bear with that.

I hope Ableton will correct this situation in the next (major?) release.

shlomo · Post by **shlomo** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:41 pm

well i have formatted my hard several times so far, and i use only one licence...,
on osx and os9 though....
i simply backup my UNLOCK prefs folder, and restore it after formatting...
since unlock scheme is machinebased, it works well.

however, with MAX/MSP authorization (also machinebased) is even easier, format that hard, install it again and....start using your software..

NI instruments even lets YOU organize your licences..

i have also been sceptic with this kind of authorization, but not anymore...

now enyoing all the software i want

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