Any one else felt like they've sold their soul....

[ChiDJ]

Tone, for a hippy, you sure sound like you've sold out.

Check back with us in a few years and we'll see if your "Tone" has changed.

I was sucked into the corporate machine. I would like to get into detail, but that would be unwise on the interweb. Suffice it to say, "Trust No one" and "Look out for number One" cause that company has no soul. It's a company stupid! Not a human being.

I prefer less money and greater independence with my future in my hands.

T-

you have no idea how clueless you are.

Well then, be a pal and clue me in.

[Tone Deft]

I don't need to. I'm just saying that your perceptions of me are very very strange.

[beats me]

I think Chi's misconception is more about San Francisco. The fact is hippies can no longer afford to live in San Francisco unless they live in some kind of commune building with 30 other likeminded hippies.

Other than that you need some kind of corporate related job.

[aisling]

9/11 brought up many of these issues for me. I dropped out all together for a while, I lived in a yurt in the redwoods of northern CA. I also lived off grid (wind/solar/generator) it was "the good life," but I could not "support" my family. When my daughter was very sick once and we needed to go the ER, I was crying (inside) because I had no health insurance, and felt powerless.......It was one thing if it was just me, but now my daughter was in the picture.....
I am a damaged person, I grew up on a "kibbutz" in Israel and learned neurologically from an early age that people achieve happiness and prosperity together through collective co-oppertunity......
Now that I am an adult in America, I just can't seem to function in the "me, me" me" mentality. Everybody around me has all the nice toys, houses, cars...but they seem so empty inside, spiritually, emotionally and psychologically exhausted or bankrupt (can be considered a generalization, I guess). I'd rather volunteer for meals on wheels and give older people a hot meal, then hustle to make the big $$$$$.
Ironically I have 2 college degrees that I never quite utilized (I paint houses and have an EMT license), I guess you could call me a hippy, but the hippies never liked me because I was into "health" and being athletic and strong, so they mistook me for a jock and rejected me from day one.....

Funny thing is with 2 kids and a cat.......I kind of wish there was somewhere corporate where I could "fit-in" and know that my children will be "ok"...
Anybody ever see the cartoon "American pop"? I kind of feel that legacy now that I have bred
http://www.bcdb.com/cartoon_synopsis/20 ... n_Pop.html

[oblique strategies]

yes I would. I have a low tolerance for bullshit.

Have you seen the documentary mentioned, 'The Corporation'?

no, is it worthwhile?

Yes, mon.

The documentary shows the development of the contemporary business corporation, from a legal entity that originated as a government-chartered institution meant to effect specific public functions, to the rise of the modern commercial institution entitled to most of the legal rights of a person.

One theme is its assessment as a "personality", as a result of an 1886 case in the United States Supreme Court in which a statement by Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite[1] led to corporations as "persons" having the same rights as human beings, based on the 14th Amendment to the US constitution.

The film's assessment is effected via the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-IV; Robert Hare, a University of British Columbia psychology professor and a consultant to the FBI, compares the profile of the contemporary profitable business corporation to that of a clinically-diagnosed psychopath.

The film is in vignettes examining and criticising corporate business practices, to establish parallels, between corporate legal misbehaviour (malfeasance) and the DSM-IV's symptoms of psychopathy, i.e. callous disregard for the feelings of other people, the incapacity to maintain human relationships, reckless disregard for the safety of others, deceitfulness (continual lying to deceive for profit), the incapacity to experience guilt, and the failure to conform to social norms and respect for the law.

The documentary concentrates mostly upon North American corporations, especially those of the United States.

So, if the corporation is a legal "person", what kind of person is it?

[Tone Deft]

yeah, I learned all that in high school civics.

see, this turns from "how's your job" into pedantics about teh evil corporations. interweb.



why don't you ask ChiDJ and his LLC bullshit and corporate welfare? I see that as a good and bad thing. you do know what an LLC is, right? they also teach that in high school. sorry to be pedantic but this is all very basic.

[oblique strategies]

The original post was about selling your soul to these corporations -I don't recall any legends about selling your soul to non-evil entities! -Just giving you grief!

[Tone Deft]

The original post was about selling your soul to these corporations -I don't recall any legends about selling your soul to non-evil entities! -Just giving you grief!

that's what we're here for!! flame on!!

I took the OP to be an existential reality check that I can relate to. I feel the same way after EVERY review. "OK, that was great, they still like me, I got more money, but is this what I really want to be doing?" it's good to ask those questions.

[nebulae]

Once upon a time,

on the interweb hate always wins. this thread is going to turn into a whine fest...they're just lame comments...

Shortly thereafter,

you have no idea how clueless you are.

But suddenly,

Well then, be a pal and clue me in.

*Now getting the popcorn...this is gonna get good*

[oblique strategies]

I started with the company when we had 1 office and about 700 employees. We now have several buildings in town and a number of campuses around the world and are now up to about 15,000 employees. So our dynamics have changed quite a bit. Needless to say I liked the smaller environment WAY better - more personable and felt less like a 'corporation'. Now it's red tape and politricks.

I went through a similar situation, though on a smaller scale. But the shift from "We're making it happen, go team!" to endless bottom-line number crunching was not remotely pleasant! Glad I am not part of that scene anymore.

[oblique strategies]

yeah, I learned all that in high school civics.

I doubt your high school tested the corporation against the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-IV; Robert Hare, a University of British Columbia psychology professor and a consultant to the FBI, compares the profile of the contemporary profitable business corporation to that of a clinically-diagnosed psychopath.

[Tone Deft]

Once upon a time,

on the interweb hate always wins. this thread is going to turn into a whine fest...they're just lame comments...

Shortly thereafter,

you have no idea how clueless you are.

But suddenly,

Well then, be a pal and clue me in.

*Now getting the popcorn...this is gonna get good*

yes I would. I have a low tolerance for bullshit.

yeah, well fuck you, asshole.

yeah, I learned all that in high school civics.

I doubt your high school tested the corporation against the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-IV; Robert Hare, a University of British Columbia psychology professor and a consultant to the FBI, compares the profile of the contemporary profitable business corporation to that of a clinically-diagnosed psychopath.

OK, that's freaking cool. the movie American Psycho is kind of along these lines, shows a fictional tale of the scum that can incubate within those institutions.

I guess it's because I'm on the science end of the business I don't get exposed to the stereotypical corporate image. if they wear a tie or tuck in their shirt I probably want nothing to do with them (no offense neb.) if they dress like a slob and can talk geekshit I found a friend.

[oblique strategies]

OK, that's freaking cool. the movie American Psycho is kind of along these lines, shows a fictional tale of the scum that can incubate within those institutions.

Yes, mon -it's a cool flick.

American Psycho -now there's a wonderful & underrated flick! Manages to turn on a dime to be both genuinely funny & scary. Love it.

[mike_o]

quit my company job in January, actually I just made my boss mad enough that he asked for my resignation, I did it on purpose so he couldn't deny me EDD unemployment benefits, if you outright quit, they dont have to give you anything, if they ask for your resignation for any reason then they cannot deny you anything.

I worked in construction and building material sales, an industry that has more than tanked here in California.

It was absolutely the lowest and worst I have ever felt in all of my life, truly misery at its core.

it was a smaller company that was family owned, but trying to become a larger corporate entity, very cold and callous environment.

[q.musgrove]

I constantly remind myself that I should get paid (or work as you have it) doing what I love... I continuously remind myself as well that if no one will pay for said work I'll just get comfortable being poor. I prefer a bedroom to make music, some equip, etc. {Even though people like MoonDog lived on the streets of New York and composed fabulous music with hand made instruments-seriously if you don't know him check it out) but anything more than what you know you truly need -opinion- is when the soul's in jeopardy.

This mindset has kept me single (girls might think it's cool you're all into not giving a shit but funny how that changes...) and out of debt. Pick up some extra cash any way you know how when something crucial is needed and don't make babies. The world don't really need no more babies.

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