seperating click tracks from live mix

[R F D]

Hi im wanting to use live 4 in a live situation with drummer. guitarist and was wondering if there is a method/interface that allows me to seperate the click from the main mix and play is out to the drummer /guitarist via headphones? Was thinking of getting an fw410 as i need an interace any how as i dont thing using a p.books output via a mini jack into the in house pa will be as good?I know the fw 410 has two headphone outs but can you seperate the click to these outs and allow the main mix to go through seperate outs? Any help/ideas much appreciated, cheers

[Winterpark]

you can do it with any stereo out... if you are willing to have your main out mono....

read the manual.... it explains all.

[ultima]

Running a mono mix usually isnt the best option, id say reord the click and then route that track to a seperate output.

[Machinate]

I know the fw 410 has two headphone outs but can you seperate the click to these outs and allow the main mix to go through seperate outs?

yes. You can also do main mix + click to the headphones, so the drummer can hear the rest of the music

[R F D]

thankyou for your advice people--- i presume i will need a minimum of two outs to be able to do these things ?

[TheUriah]

Minimum of 2 if you'd using mono. For stereo, you will need 4.

[Maurice]

PowerBook line outs are fine for feeding a PA, as long as the club has direct boxes for you to plug into. (I'm assuming you're going 1/8" stereo to two 1/4" mono plugs.)

As for feeding the drummer a click, yeah, you need an additional audio out. You could go with a FW interface, or go with one of the Echo Indigo cards for your PC Card slot.

[flavor32]

a cheaper way than buying a multi out audio interface, and the option i use, is to buy a cheap drum machine that will receive midi clock(like the alesis sr16- used less than 100 bucks) and a cheap midi interface (like an m-audio 30 bucks) and create a click pattern on the drum machine. in live's midi preferences you set "sync out" to the out of your midi interface and run a midi cable from the out of your laptop to the in on the drum machine. when you hit play on the laptop the drum machine will start playing the click pattern (just enable external sync on the drum machine). you can also do this in reverse order, using the drum machine as the master clock and slaving live's tempo to it. works great for us using two laptops and live drumming : ) if your drummer wants the track from live in his headphones as well as the click, you could get a cheap $50 mixer to run the laptop and drum machine audio into, then out to his phones. used this rig for about a year and it's great.

[R F D]

great! I have a sr-16 and a micro mixer so will defo try this out

[Dog]

I recommend this, too.
I use an SR-16 as a master clock with a click pattern going to the drummer and I sync both Live and a Nord G2 synth to it (and trigger Live using a Behringer FCB1010 pedal controller so I play guitar at the same time). Takes some messing around with MIDI cables but it works well. I like having the drum machine as the master because there's no chance of it crashing during a gig. Also, you have to mess around with the latency settings in Live to get the equipement aligned - best done by playing the click on the drum machine and the Live metronome at the same time and adjusting the latency until they sit on top of each other. Funnily enough, the latency seems to vary with tempo to a slight degree - not sure why, but it's close enough.
Also helps to get a small mixer for the drummer so he can set his own volumes. And, the SR-16 takes a footswitch to tap tempo and stop/start which can also be useful for the drummer to have, especially if you have rubato sections in your music when you want to break away from the main tempo and come back to it later in the song.
Angus