how to listen / play from one marker to the next ?

[Tone Deft]

omfg. OK, you go on with your bad self.

[seismicexplo]

@chicken

you should make a thread in the feature wishlist in which you ask ableton to implement a right-click menu entry titled:play slice or something

and that this new command should only play from one marker to the next(i dont realy need this but wouldnt mind if it where there)

to realy do this with some audio now,yould have to isolate the bit you want in arragement(some silence before and after it) ,then you can hear it solo


but imo (again) slice to midi ...bla bla

greets
seis.

[chicken]

i still can't believe that this function doesn't exist, but ok, i posted it at new feature.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=114987

[scientist]

turn off 'loop'.

... and then ? how can i play the selection between the markers ?

are you familiar with session view? place the clip in a slot in session view and press its play button.

you can also go ahead and slice to midi and adjust start/end points there.

i allready answered this and the related problem in my last posting.

unlike recycle live's edit points are nondestructive. hence, you can edit start/end points AFTER using 'slice to midi'. slice to midi will create a drum rack for you, and you can play the one shot sample via the corresponding pad/slot while adjusting your start/end points.

[chicken]

you can edit start/end points AFTER using 'slice to midi'

that is for the audio only.
the midi file will stay the same.
and so the audio won't fit anymore with the midi groove.

are you familiar with session view

session view is step 2.
the problem is still step 1.

first the basics. then the arrangement !
you'll get in late trouble if you mix up these things.
that's basic rules !

as i remember, the clips doesn't change when i modify them in the session view.
so it won't help anyway to make proper slices.

am i wrong ?

[scientist]

session view is step 2.
the problem is still step 1...
am i wrong ?

yeah. there's no step 1, step 2. drag the clip you're editing into a session slot and work from there.

[dna598]

yeah. there's no step 1, step 2. drag the clip you're editing into a session slot and work from there.

While you enjoy the "get it done quick" culture of live like us all, it is actually a serious omission and i wonder if Ableton wishes to engage people other than hip hop mpc heads with loose hats and clicks all over the place.
People that are used to GOING IN on a beat,layering snares and kiks tightly, and not just slicing and dicing to a padkontrol for a quick bash.
These are the people who have ableton on the side, and are still probably using logic/cubase for the finished product.ie. most of them. ie. your idols.

(cue exs import whinge).

[chicken]

drag the clip you're editing into a session slot and work from there.

ok. and what now ?
... same problem !

[DJD]

im fairly new to live but i think i have a grasp on your problem... i never imagined being any closer than what i could do by zooming all the way in and moving my marker. but regardless

if your in arrangemint view and block your loop then copy and past as to make it its own element then when you move your markers the part you moved out will be eliminated from the audio in the strict section you have blocked....this my be dumb.. i have never used anything but live so this my be very wrong.

[dna598]

Its such a simple thing and yet so vital, as if they forgot the one last gleaming issue-is the beat i'm about to slice gonna be tight? answer: no, you ll soon find out that there is marker you missed out and one of the snares has a hat on the end of it.
Its then Bye bye to easily throwing the snares in a group for compression as you then have to mess about creating another zone with isolated hat/snare which then messes with the midi.
This is annoying.

[longjohns]

on the subject of the midi clip vs. start/end points on simplers after slicing...

it matters in some ways, and doesn't in others.

the length of the midi notes which play the slices is not 100% relevant, since the actual length of the sounds that they play is defined also by the length of the braces in simpler..

so if you are adjusting END points of slices in simpler, simply (hehe) extending each midi slice length would cover it, right? that can be done in one shot by selecting all notes and dragging out the ends.

if you are adjusting the START points of slices in simpler, then the only problem is whether the amount is enough to (in your opinion) throw off the rhythm of the midi clip. IOW if you move the start back by 10ms, do you need to move the midi note which plays it back by 10ms also? the slice can be cleaned in simpler to capture the actual beginning and stop before the next sound begins.

I hope that makes sense. you can manipulate the start point of the simpler slice, but if you feel you need to go in and change the position of the midi note as well, then yes, that would be a pain

also I'm not completely convinced of the feature request. say you had the ability to hear one warp marker only. what guarantee do you have that you're not hearing a small amount of silence before the start? (especially considering that there will be a certain amount of latency involved, right?) ...or that you're not cutting off a little bit of faint decay before the next sound? I think that you can address that more accurately by the visual waveform

[dna598]

oh god why are the ableton fanboys reducing themselves to saying visual cues are better than using your ears?
Face it, you slice a beat first in order to hear it played back as is. You need to hear the slice in order to check it is ending/starting correctly.

You cannot do this, and cleaning it up after in sampler is too hit and miss.
We need the audition slice feature to QUICKLY check for clean slices.

I am wondering whether any of the people questioning this feature here have any experience chopping breaks up (very well).
WHat about those awkward breaks with really faint hats and snares with hat hits milliseconds before the attack?
It is necessary to slice even the smallest millisecond of a (eg) pre snare hat in order to capture the break properly when slicing to midi.

AND it ensures correct quantising.

Dont you people want CONTROL?

Im sorry but anyone not jumping up and down for this request is simply a breakbeat/beatchopping noob.

also I'm not completely convinced of the feature request. say you had the ability to hear one warp marker only. what guarantee do you have that you're not hearing a small amount of silence before the start? (especially considering that there will be a certain amount of latency involved, right?) ...or that you're not cutting off a little bit of faint decay before the next sound? I think that you can address that more accurately by the visual waveform

[Tone Deft]

I am wondering whether any of the people questioning this feature here have any experience chopping breaks up (very well).

that's what I'm not getting. I've been slicing on the mpc and Live for years and don't get where this guy is coming from, other than he just insists nobody knows what he's talking about. plenty of knowledgeable people have tried to help him I think he's inventing a problem. IOW he sees something and wants to tackle it but it's a non-issue. slices are pretty resilient (Live auto fades them) and often a 'bad' slice from one section is picked up by a partial slice of the same hit in the next sample played. often these awkward slices sound pretty cool.

btw you're out of line calling some of these people out. slicing samples is very very common.

[Michael Hatsis]

I have no Idea what the Op wants either. Want a perfect loop just move the warp markers till the loop is perfect - looks good, sounds good, Its good!

Also, I slice everything - all the time, lots of breaks, bass lines, pads,vocals, noise, whatever. never have any problem here either, Sure sometimes you have to move some start markers over for the slices, but I just think of that as user specific stuff, for instance, Im sure you and I would have a different opinion of where to start a slice, especially in the case you mentioned, where there are hats and perc nestled about...

[scientist]

drag the clip you're editing into a session slot and work from there.

ok. and what now ?
... same problem !

fuck it. just use recycle.