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How many of you believe in aliens?

Yes
40
42%
No
9
9%
Maybe some wheres far away
47
49%
 
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by UKRuss » Mon May 18, 2009 7:04 pm

I totally LOVE these threads! :lol:

Isn't the whole obsession with North Americans and aliens merely a metaphor for their xenophobia? I thought it was. A deep seated problem with 'otherness' and the obsession with being 'invaded' by 'aliens' (read:communists, or nowadays since all the commies have been tamed, raghead terrorists).

I'm glad though, without it no "Alien Quadrilogy" (go and 'find' the aliens and kill them), "Independence Day" (wait til the aliens try to get in and then kill them), etc.etc.

Thanks to the US for their paranoia and hatred of all things 'alien', without it, no good films. Metaphors for killing arabs and commies they may be, but whatever, I LOVE them!

As for the alien existence, shit it'll be damn soon they prove that organic life existed on Mars once, if not there is still Europa's frozen depths to explore. That's just in our own solar system.

As always with things of the past, our successors will look back in 2000 years and wonder why we were such idiots.

But they'll still respect Alien, probably Aliens Directors cut even more.

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Tone Deft » Mon May 18, 2009 7:09 pm

hold up there chief. you Brits do alienshit quite well yourself. Red Dwarf, Dr Who, Douglas Adams and Arthur C. Clarke to name a few.
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by UKRuss » Mon May 18, 2009 7:16 pm

Tone Deft wrote:hold up there chief. you Brits do alienshit quite well yourself. Red Dwarf, Dr Who, Douglas Adams and Arthur C. Clarke to name a few.
We do sci fi, but we dont do much alien abduction/invasion stuff. It wasn't a dig really, i thought it was a pretty well documented and accepted reason why the US has an alien obsession. Stemming from the missile crisis, social paranoia (building bomb shelters in the garden and that) and explosion of B movie sci-fi stuff around that time.

Isn't it pretty well accepted that Independence Day is an all out metaphor for the US saving the world against an evil that might envelope us all and steal our freedom? (saving us from Islam? Evene the arabs cheer at their new freedom at the end of the film don't they)

Damn, am I reading too much into all this?? 8O

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by OvertoneZero » Mon May 18, 2009 7:19 pm

PM if you want to buy some plasma rifles

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Tone Deft » Mon May 18, 2009 7:37 pm

UKRuss wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:hold up there chief. you Brits do alienshit quite well yourself. Red Dwarf, Dr Who, Douglas Adams and Arthur C. Clarke to name a few.
We do sci fi, but we dont do much alien abduction/invasion stuff. It wasn't a dig really, i thought it was a pretty well documented and accepted reason why the US has an alien obsession. Stemming from the missile crisis, social paranoia (building bomb shelters in the garden and that) and explosion of B movie sci-fi stuff around that time.

Isn't it pretty well accepted that Independence Day is an all out metaphor for the US saving the world against an evil that might envelope us all and steal our freedom? (saving us from Islam? Evene the arabs cheer at their new freedom at the end of the film don't they)
it all seems to have started with the cold war. probably Sputnik, the space race and putting man on the moon. dunno, I'm not much of a historian to lay it out, surely there are web sites talking about this very topic.
Damn, am I reading too much into all this?? 8O
if Will Smith is involved, definitely. Independence Day was just one picture in a long string of Will Smith releasing cheesy summer blockbuster movies on the 4th Of July, a well planned sellout maneuver. it's not a bad movie but it's definitely made purely for the mass appeal.
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by abletoff » Mon May 18, 2009 7:53 pm

I find easier to believe in other life forms than believing in any god.
If they are visiting this planet I can't say, but then again we'd have to discuss about the concept of visiting.
I like the ant example. You walk to a ant nest, see the ants go and do things, yet you can't communicate with the ants at all, even if you're technically more evolved. No way. So it has no definition really.

In the years I've dug into the alien/ufo field a lot, found good and bad sources, got burnt by the Disclosure Project, interviewed Dr. Greer for my paper. The whole Mulder trip. And best of all, I've seen one thing in the sky, and it was not plasma, wheater balloon, globular lighting, whatever. It was a green sphere, standing in the sky. Go figure if it was alien. But it was there and was most definitely "unidentified". Luckily I was not alone. Unluckily, nobody had anything to film the thing properly.
But the sheer moment you see one thing like that is unbelievably simple to live, it was no movie. I kept saying to myself "It's awesome but it's no surprise at all that a thing of this sort exists. At all".
So that something *exists* it's out of dubt to me. What it is, it's mistery. Fine this way.
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Acid303 » Mon May 18, 2009 8:09 pm

In terms of probability it's almost a certainty. Has there been 'contact' - I severely doubt it!

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by UKRuss » Mon May 18, 2009 8:24 pm

Tone Deft wrote: if Will Smith is involved, definitely. Independence Day was just one picture in a long string of Will Smith releasing cheesy summer blockbuster movies on the 4th Of July, a well planned sellout maneuver. it's not a bad movie but it's definitely made purely for the mass appeal.
Shitting crikey! Next you'll be telling me Top Gun wasn't a thinly veiled homoerotic story about closet homsexuality in the US armed forces!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G36VaaEJi6I

8O

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Tone Deft » Mon May 18, 2009 8:33 pm

UKRuss wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: if Will Smith is involved, definitely. Independence Day was just one picture in a long string of Will Smith releasing cheesy summer blockbuster movies on the 4th Of July, a well planned sellout maneuver. it's not a bad movie but it's definitely made purely for the mass appeal.
Shitting crikey! Next you'll be telling me Top Gun wasn't a thinly veiled homoerotic story about closet homsexuality in the US armed forces!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G36VaaEJi6I

8O
thing about that scene I never understood was that if I was about to go hang out with Kelly McGillis I wouldn't be playing volleyball beforehand. kinda enforces the homoerotic nature of the movie, Maverick didn't want the chick, he wanted the dick.
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by UKRuss » Mon May 18, 2009 8:40 pm

:lol:

It's one of those things I mean to do sometime, read up on the 'otherness' and allegorical nature of US sci fi, and also horror. The golden era horror from the States in the 60s and 70s, Romero stuff, Original chainsaw massacre, really reflective of the watergate, 'Nam era. I did start to read 'Planks of Reason' once...but like everything in life. I NEED 36 HOURS IN THE BLOODY DAY!

Kind of back on topic, though, if anyone gets a chance to get on the nasa website of a lunchtime, you can read the entire audio transcriptions of some of the Apollo missions.

Apollo 8 is a stunning journey. Jim Lovell is THE man! Fascinating stuff.

edit: The thing about the mass appeal of ID4 is that it strikes a chord in the psyche of the majority of the US public. A malignant enemy, seemingly unbeatable but one man, one american hero, can save the world. And at the end of the film the whole world cheers in appreciation of being freed!

It appeals to the masses, for a reason. It wasn't a big film in Iran I suspect...

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Tone Deft » Mon May 18, 2009 8:51 pm

UKRuss wrote:Apollo 8 is a stunning journey. Jim Lovell is THE man! Fascinating stuff.
actually a few months ago I was at a conference and got to see Admiral Ken Mattingly speak. he was the guy that was exposed to measles and had to sit out the flight while his buddies went up. amazing stuff. he mentioned the movie a lot and said Gary Sinise downplayed his reaction about being told he couldn't go on the flight. Mattingly said he acted like a MAJOR drama queen cry baby for days on end. otherwise he said the movie was well done.
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Mon May 18, 2009 10:22 pm

UKRuss wrote:I totally LOVE these threads! :lol:

Isn't the whole obsession with North Americans and aliens merely a metaphor for their xenophobia?

No. We are simply much more interesting than anyone else. :wink:

What, aliens are going to find Hartlepool more interesting than LA? Don't think so. lol
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by oblique strategies » Mon May 18, 2009 11:17 pm

UKRuss wrote::lol:
It's one of those things I mean to do sometime, read up on the 'otherness' and allegorical nature of US sci fi, and also horror. The golden era horror from the States in the 60s and 70s, Romero stuff, Original chainsaw massacre, really reflective of the watergate, 'Nam era. I did start to read 'Planks of Reason' once...but like everything in life. I NEED 36 HOURS IN THE BLOODY DAY!
More power to you. Your proposition that the 60's & 70's were the golden era for horror & sci-fi in the states is interesting. For sheer volume of films, you may be right. Plus the subject matter was maturing. But we did have a wealth of sci-fi throughout the 1950's, much of which does illustrate your point about xenophobia, fear of communist takeover, etc. In fact, I would argue that it is in these films from the 50's that we witness these particular fears articulated more than in any other era.

In the 60's, & particularly the 70's, we began to see new horrors emerge: the fear of our own dissolution from within, brought about by our own children, our government, radical political movements, our bodies, & our very psyches. George Romero showed us a daughter killing & eating both her mother & father. The Exorcist scared us with a child misbehaving in a most remarkable way. Director David Cronenberg gave us his 'body horror' films with Shivers (aka They Came From Within), Rabid, & The Brood, then later one of his masterpieces: the remake of The Fly.

Psycho & a slew of other films in its wake, showed us that the boy or girl next door could murder us at the first opportunity. Add the rise of documented serial killers & mass murderers to the mix, & apparently no one is safe.

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre & Deliverance articulated the urbanites fear of what later became known as the Backwoods Brutality films.

Interesting, many of these films are being remade in more recent times (1990's & 2000's). The USA is again mired in a war that is not supported by the majority of the people, scandals that make Watergate look fairly tame are rocking society, & people are seeing their futures becoming increasingly uncertain. In short, people are afraid.
UKRuss wrote:edit: The thing about the mass appeal of ID4 is that it strikes a chord in the psyche of the majority of the US public. A malignant enemy, seemingly unbeatable but one man, one american hero, can save the world. And at the end of the film the whole world cheers in appreciation of being freed!

It appeals to the masses, for a reason. It wasn't a big film in Iran I suspect...
ID4 was an embarrassment. A big budget Ed Wood Jr. film! ~My apologies to Ed Wood, I really enjoy his films! :wink:

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by ThrowAway » Tue May 19, 2009 12:40 am

About six months ago I was driving home with a friend talking with the windows down and the radio off. We were driving down a small road with a school to our right and a fairly large open field when I saw a plan which looked to a sesna prop plane about 150 ft up when I saw a huge flash of white light, it looked to me like the same light thats giving off from the electric arcs I see welding all the time. This light lit up everything, it was awe inspiring. then for a split second the plane stood still and then flew off at the speed of a shooting star with no sound. Months later after speaking with a couple of people I was informed that this type of engine was just declassified. I saw a pretty bad ass ufo.

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by abort » Tue May 19, 2009 1:19 am

Your full of it ThrowAway!

but that would be the ideal proof for me. You didn't take any pitchers by chance did you?

(I'm like a little kid about it)

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