very high CPU Usage with Operator. Is it just me?

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:32 pm

perhaps the Operator is really just a direct representation of Apple Computer in the form of an FM/Subtractive synth.

overpriced? check.
slow? check.
less than 5% of the market (ableton users in this case) will still buy one because of blind faith? check.
people that don't own one and won't buy one will never understand why other people do/did. check.

we have a winner!!

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:02 am

AdamJay wrote:. it would be on par with say a P4 3.65ghz with 1MB L2 and 800mhz FSB.

and i'm totally lost with the black math you're throwing out.

A 1ghz mac hits 49% CPU on a patch that you at 3.65ghz hit roughly 17%? Divide the CPU ghz for ghz, and the performance is the same. 3.65 you say? well I rounded down to 3 to make up for the insignificant amount of performance boost I might get from the second 1ghz CPU in my dual, and then divided 49% by 3 = around 16%, rough figure, NOT including .65Ghz.
How is that black math?
Live is totally CPU and system bus dependent, any advantage a mac might have with altivec or dual CPUs is moot, you know that? Saying that performance is worse on a mac isn't admitting that performance isn't so good on a PC either? 15% on a 3.65 machine? That's what I might expect from the worst Reactor patch?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:04 am

AdamJay wrote:perhaps the Operator is really just a direct representation of Apple Computer in the form of an FM/Subtractive synth.

overpriced? check.
slow? check.
less than 5% of the market (ableton users in this case) will still buy one because of blind faith? check.
people that don't own one and won't buy one will never understand why other people do/did. check.

we have a winner!!

Why are you wanting to turn this into a mac/PC war adam? That's pretty stupid.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:07 am

i'm not, not at all in fact.
only pointing out the striking similarities, at least to my eyes.

coincidence or conspiracy? kinda like Kennedy and Lincoln.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:13 am

Frank from Ableton flatly stated that Live 4 was sold 50/50 to PC and mac when I met him, there is no PC or mac dominance in the real world with Live.

Fanning a flame war between mac and PC on this board is just plain ugly, besides it gets REALLY OLD!

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:15 am

Machinesworking wrote:Frank from Ableton flatly stated that Live 4 was sold 50/50 to PC and mac when I met him, there is no PC or mac dominance in the real world with Live.

Fanning a flame war between mac and PC on this board is just plain ugly, besides it gets REALLY OLD!

never said there was. i was speaking about the percentage of live users that would buy Operator... me thinks its gonna be low... about as low as the percentage of computer users that buy macs.

drush · Post by **drush** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:15 am

his comment had nothing to do with how many mac ableton users and pc ableton users there are, but rather the chasm between performance of ableton on an apple vs that of it on a pc. this is hard fact, not flame bait.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:15 am

jeez he really took the bait

drush · Post by **drush** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:16 am

which btw i only speak up on b/c i am a lifetime mac user who recently bought his first pc simply b/c of this performance differential. and b/c of how much i love Live.

drush · Post by **drush** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:17 am

AdamJay wrote:jeez he really took the bait

sucker that i am.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:23 am

AdamJay wrote:never said there was. I was speaking about the percentage of live users that would buy Operator... me thinks its gonna be low... about as low as the percentage of computer users that buy macs.

Well no, you didn't say that, you were trolling a bit adam. You didn't even reply to my comeback about "black math", you were too busy thinking up something to "get under my skin". What's the point adam?

drush, my point isn't which machine is better for running Live, like I said pure CPU and system bus speed seems to be the deciding factor. It was that cpu for cpu, Operator is a PIG on both systems. What I got back was a typical antagonistic opinion stated as fact.

drush · Post by **drush** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:24 am

alrighty then.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:26 am

AdamJay wrote:jeez he really took the bait

Trolls suck adam.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:28 am

Machinesworking wrote:
AdamJay wrote:I was speaking about the percentage of live users that would buy Operator... me thinks its gonna be low... about as low as the percentage of computer users that buy macs.
Well no, you didn't say that,

actually, i DID say that. anyone that understands how analogies work could decipher my post. its right there in black and white. i even thought i'd make it easy for you and put "ableton users in this case" in parenthesis, so that i could not be misunderstood. but i think it was your kneejerk reaction that blinded you from actually being able to consciously and coherently digest my post.

operator runs fine on my machine, i'm sorry to hear it does not on yours.
good day.

supster · Post by **supster** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:32 am

AdamJay wrote:perhaps the Operator is really just a direct representation of Apple Computer in the form of an FM/Subtractive synth.

overpriced? check.
slow? check.
less than 5% of the market (ableton users in this case) will still buy one because of blind faith? check.
people that don't own one and won't buy one will never understand why other people do/did. check.

we have a winner!!

lol