OT How many of you believe in aliens?

[ThrowAway]

You have referred several times to "powerful evidence" and "irrefutable evidence" yet youve not provided any actual evidence beyond the normal eyewitness testimony, which is proven to be incredibly faulty under test conditions. Im not berating your logic, im simply asking you to substantiate your grand claims. I never stated that you believed in Angels, I was giving an example that eyewitness testimony is incredibly dodgy.

The point I am making is this. Many UFO believers say that there is such a multitude of sightings, and there are so many eyewitness accounts that there must be some truth to it. The same applies for people who have claimed to see Jesus or Angels. There is an enormous amount of anecdotal evidence going back centuries of such sightings. Does this prove that Jesus or Angels exist? For me, its not credible, and neither is the simple fact of thousands of independent UFO sightings.

/thread PLEASE!!!! I MIGHT HAVE TO STAB ONE OF YOU IN THE FACE.

[adventurepants_]

You have referred several times to "powerful evidence" and "irrefutable evidence" yet youve not provided any actual evidence beyond the normal eyewitness testimony, which is proven to be incredibly faulty under test conditions. Im not berating your logic, im simply asking you to substantiate your grand claims. I never stated that you believed in Angels, I was giving an example that eyewitness testimony is incredibly dodgy.

The point I am making is this. Many UFO believers say that there is such a multitude of sightings, and there are so many eyewitness accounts that there must be some truth to it. The same applies for people who have claimed to see Jesus or Angels. There is an enormous amount of anecdotal evidence going back centuries of such sightings. Does this prove that Jesus or Angels exist? For me, its not credible, and neither is the simple fact of thousands of independent UFO sightings.

/thread PLEASE!!!! I MIGHT HAVE TO STAB ONE OF YOU IN THE FACE.

Oh Youre No Fun Anymore

[adhmzaiusz]

Hey adventurepants, I respect your view, but there is a fine line between individual experience such as religious and multiple witness experience who see unexplainable object in the sky.

Is my whole family crazy because we all witnessed the same experience of multiple ufo's flying infront of the moon one night through a telescope, that were all shiny, casting shadow and changing course over the moon's surface? They were flying all around in circles and coming back! This really happened, my brother is a skeptic on the matter but he knows what he saw. There is logic behind my belief that what I saw wasn't a bird, a swarm of bugs, or jets in the sky.

My logic is that:
A) telescope focal length 700mm, therefore with the moon in focus the depth of field is shallow to allow the plane of sight to be somewhere between the stratosphere to the lunar surface, I have tested and detirmined that with this focus setting, any near objects are blurry and out of focus.

B) Given the size and scale of the objects in question compared to a crater on the moon, they must be extremely large.

C) These objects (maybe 5-10 or so of them) were in sharp focus.

D) These objects were specifically maintaining an aimless yet constrained course directly in front of the lunar surface to my perspective.

E) Multiple people all witnessing the same experience confirms the presence of the unknown that does not fall into standard aircraft protocol.

Now if there are holes in these parameters that anyone can point out please do. I feel I have properly evaluated the circumstances and ruled out the obvious and applied knowledge as best as I can. The only thing I can think of is that NASA was conducting somesort of classified experiment involving an un-publicized event?

[DrXparaMental]

You have referred several times to "powerful evidence" and "irrefutable evidence" yet youve not provided any actual evidence beyond the normal eyewitness testimony, which is proven to be incredibly faulty under test conditions. Im not berating your logic, im simply asking you to substantiate your grand claims. I never stated that you believed in Angels, I was giving an example that eyewitness testimony is incredibly dodgy.

The point I am making is this. Many UFO believers say that there is such a multitude of sightings, and there are so many eyewitness accounts that there must be some truth to it. The same applies for people who have claimed to see Jesus or Angels. There is an enormous amount of anecdotal evidence going back centuries of such sightings. Does this prove that Jesus or Angels exist? For me, its not credible, and neither is the simple fact of thousands of independent UFO sightings.

OK brother, I apologize for the misunderstandings. Now the way you just worded that last post is KILLER and very respectful. This I can and will do but can you PLEASE cut me a little slack this evening? I am on "Ableton Time" right now, and for me, that's PRECIOUS stuff. I promise you that I will not make one more post on the forum until I have articulated in exact reciprocation your last post. *That* deserves an answer.

In fact, I will quickly (before I get back to me tracks, Live 8.0.3 working GRAND here)state this. I apologize for all this carrying on. I really do. I just CANNOT stand arrogant twits "sizing me up" and going off like they are kangaroo court magistrates that I owe some social fine to. I pay for NO protection and will not tolerate being bullied in some pseudo intellectual fashion as if I were guilty of some imaginary crime. I HATE that self pathetic clique shit.

In the AM.
peace,
me

[adventurepants_]

Hey adventurepants, I respect your view, but there is a fine line between individual experience such as religious and multiple witness experience who see unexplainable object in the sky.

Is my whole family crazy because we all witnessed the same experience of multiple ufo's flying infront of the moon one night through a telescope, that were all shiny, casting shadow and changing course over the moon's surface? They were flying all around in circles and coming back! This really happened, my brother is a skeptic on the matter but he knows what he saw. There is logic behind my belief that what I saw wasn't a bird, a swarm of bugs, or jets in the sky.

My logic is that:
A) telescope focal length 700mm, therefore with the moon in focus the depth of field is shallow to allow the plane of sight to be somewhere between the stratosphere to the lunar surface, I have tested and detirmined that with this focus setting, any near objects are blurry and out of focus.

B) Given the size and scale of the objects in question compared to a crater on the moon, they must be extremely large.

C) These objects (maybe 5-10 or so of them) were in sharp focus.

D) These objects were specifically maintaining an aimless yet constrained course directly in front of the lunar surface to my perspective.

E) Multiple people all witnessing the same experience confirms the presence of the unknown that does not fall into standard aircraft protocol.

Now if there are holes in these parameters that anyone can point out please do. I feel I have properly evaluated the circumstances and ruled out the obvious and applied knowledge as best as I can. The only thing I can think of is that NASA was conducting somesort of classified experiment involving an un-publicized event?

Im in no way saying that people didnt see what they say they saw. Im saying that their interpretation and memory of what they saw may be faulty. Its incredibly easy under test conditions to change someones recollection of events, by suggesting a new context for them to recount their experiences. Its also very easy under test conditions to get people to see patterns in random noise, by suggesting a context beforehand. If you prime a test subject to see farmyard animals, they are more likely to see farmyard animals in random patterns. If you suspect that UFOs exist, then you are more likely to think of unidentified flying objects as alien craft rather than space junk. Also, There are many anecdotal stories of large groups of people experiencing the same religious experience and seeing the Virgin Mary etc, so having many witnesses is not compelling evidence.

Im not referring this to you, as you seem skeptical of your own conclusions, and I applaud your skepticism. Have you contacted any professional Astronomers to seek their explanation for your observations? This may be a well understood phenomenon that you simply may not be aware of? There are literally hundreds of thousands of pro and amateur astronomers looking at the sky every night, I cant concieve how this sort of phenomenon could be there, yet not photographed or reported en masse by those many observers. That to me suggests that your phenomena was local to your area. This of course conflicts with you reporting that the objects were casting shadows on the moon. Its a mystery Scooby!

[Tone Deft]

I didn't really even read this crap this morning. now that you're egging on other people I read it, holy shit this is some of the dumbest logic I've ever read...

It's interesting to note that the United States successfully developed, tested and put into use, atomic "engines" or power sources for space travel in the late 60s. When is the last time you heard of atomic based flight and space travel technology? Stealth technology existed and is well documented as being in working order in the early 70s.

so I ask you what you know about 'atomic engines' and quantum physics. you just resorted to name calling, I followed.

First off, what was untrue about the above quote? Where, within the context of the above quote, is there a claim on my behalf that I I have a full working understanding of "Atomic Engines"?

you wouldn't know an 'atomic engine' if one fell out of the sky and landed on your face. I asked you what one was, you didn't answer you just flamed me. you still wouldn't be able to answer.

This is what you actually responded with: omfg this is what happens when 'artists' try to talk science. utter failure.

LIAR.
I wrote that BEFORE 'atomic engines' came up, it was my first entry into this crappy part of the thread!!! now you're clearly distorting reality.

wtf do you mean by 'atomic engines'?? do you know in what way nuclear reactors are used for propulsion? do you know what quantum mechanics even means??

The above post is far more an arrogant, rude and condescending statement that reeks of belittlement based on sheer assumptions concerning my understanding without so much as a strand of substantiation, than it is a real or honest line of questioning.

it's me telling you that you're talking about stuff you don't have a gooddamn clue about. you have no ground to judge anyone's behavior. you've made more than an ass of yourself.

In "talking science", how exactly did I fail? Where is the falsehood within my statements Tone Deft? When a journalist or reporter states something as fact, do they need to have a full working understanding of the subject matter they are reporting to be correct or above failure? Of course not.

you should not talk about science anymore than I should talk about 4th century Chinese knitting techniques. talk alienshit all you want, tie scientific advancements due to alien intervention and you should at least be familiar with the science. this is ridiculous.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=906775#p906775
I do understand exactly how nuclear propulsion works

absolute BULLSHIT! hilarious!!!

Could you prove that what I stated was "bullshit" please? You should be able to no problem considering the self righteous nature of your claim.

fuck you're dense. you wrote
I do understand exactly how nuclear propulsion works
no you don't!! you don't know the first thing about it.

here again you go on about quantum physics, yet you know nothing about it.
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=906794#p906794
I'd read a post with quantum physics in it and ask for more, you have nothing more than name calling. I shouldn't have asked. it's a fine line between sci fi fun and actual science. sci fi is fun because you can break the rules, I should not have asked about real science, my bad.

Could you please quote specifically what you are referring to? The above is gibberish otherwise. The link goes to a page where there is NO evidence of me whatsoever "going on" about Quantum Physics.

more lies and denial.

at one point you ask me to qualify myself
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=906768#p906768
so I did, I have formal training in science. now you're holding that against me. classy move asshole. sorry, it's a really fun degree to have in the 21st century, applicable to a LOT of stuff.

Forgive me your hindass, but what I did was ask you to qualify yourself, not describe yourself. You still have not "qualified" anything have you? You seem pretty good at self ascribed glorious attributes without a shred of substantiation. I wonder why?

you're an ass. I am formally trained in physics and some science. qualify myself vs describe myself? that's the weakest cop out I've read in a long time. I posted that thinking that maybe you were what you were saying you were. you're not, you're not much of anything.

you're absolutely delusional, I pity you, I really do.

[adhmzaiusz]

I didn't really even read this crap this morning. now that you're egging on other people I read it, holy shit this is some of the dumbest logic I've ever read...

It's interesting to note that the United States successfully developed, tested and put into use, atomic "engines" or power sources for space travel in the late 60s. When is the last time you heard of atomic based flight and space travel technology? Stealth technology existed and is well documented as being in working order in the early 70s.

so I ask you what you know about 'atomic engines' and quantum physics. you just resorted to name calling, I followed.

First off, what was untrue about the above quote? Where, within the context of the above quote, is there a claim on my behalf that I I have a full working understanding of "Atomic Engines"?

you wouldn't know an 'atomic engine' if one fell out of the sky and landed on your face. I asked you what one was, you didn't answer you just flamed me. you still wouldn't be able to answer.

This is what you actually responded with: omfg this is what happens when 'artists' try to talk science. utter failure.

LIAR.
I wrote that BEFORE 'atomic engines' came up, it was my first entry into this crappy part of the thread!!! now you're clearly distorting reality.

wtf do you mean by 'atomic engines'?? do you know in what way nuclear reactors are used for propulsion? do you know what quantum mechanics even means??

The above post is far more an arrogant, rude and condescending statement that reeks of belittlement based on sheer assumptions concerning my understanding without so much as a strand of substantiation, than it is a real or honest line of questioning.

it's me telling you that you're talking about stuff you don't have a gooddamn clue about. you have no ground to judge anyone's behavior. you've made more than an ass of yourself.

In "talking science", how exactly did I fail? Where is the falsehood within my statements Tone Deft? When a journalist or reporter states something as fact, do they need to have a full working understanding of the subject matter they are reporting to be correct or above failure? Of course not.

you should not talk about science anymore than I should talk about 4th century Chinese knitting techniques. talk alienshit all you want, tie scientific advancements due to alien intervention and you should at least be familiar with the science. this is ridiculous.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=906775#p906775
I do understand exactly how nuclear propulsion works

absolute BULLSHIT! hilarious!!!

Could you prove that what I stated was "bullshit" please? You should be able to no problem considering the self righteous nature of your claim.

fuck you're dense. you wrote
I do understand exactly how nuclear propulsion works
no you don't!! you don't know the first thing about it.

here again you go on about quantum physics, yet you know nothing about it.
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=906794#p906794
I'd read a post with quantum physics in it and ask for more, you have nothing more than name calling. I shouldn't have asked. it's a fine line between sci fi fun and actual science. sci fi is fun because you can break the rules, I should not have asked about real science, my bad.

Could you please quote specifically what you are referring to? The above is gibberish otherwise. The link goes to a page where there is NO evidence of me whatsoever "going on" about Quantum Physics.

more lies and denial.

at one point you ask me to qualify myself
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=906768#p906768
so I did, I have formal training in science. now you're holding that against me. classy move asshole. sorry, it's a really fun degree to have in the 21st century, applicable to a LOT of stuff.

Forgive me your hindass, but what I did was ask you to qualify yourself, not describe yourself. You still have not "qualified" anything have you? You seem pretty good at self ascribed glorious attributes without a shred of substantiation. I wonder why?

you're an ass. I am formally trained in physics and some science. qualify myself vs describe myself? that's the weakest cop out I've read in a long time. I posted that thinking that maybe you were what you were saying you were. you're not, you're not much of anything.

you're absolutely delusional, I pity you, I really do.

Lol after seeing where all this is going, yea I think I agree on the:

/THREAD

[Machinesworking]

But with all your word salad here, what have you stated? Nothing. Positively and absolutely nothing that is fact or contains substance with respect to the subject matter this post underlines. You're philosophizing and assuming at best.

Sure guy, I believe you. You're right, aliens still did some of the crop circles regardless of how many people came forward and showed how they did it.
Lights over Phoenix were UFOs no matter if the army said they were flares. but yeah I'm philosophizing etc...
This is funny in a way, I'm arguing that the obvious explanations are overlooked in favor of conjecture, and you're saying I'm not stating "facts", hilarious.

Apparently you did not do enough research on Mack to understand the nature of his censure did you? He was found without fault MW, completely and totally. This being despite their "establishment entitled trappings" & utter knit picking. Did you honestly not know this or was this an attempt to side step reality in this case or even perhaps "color" things a bit?

You're being an ass here, and lying. Here's the quote:

concluding "Dr. Mack remains a member in good standing of the Harvard Faculty of Medicine." (Mack was censured for some methodological errors.)

I never said he was 'wrong', or that they shut him down completely, but personally I find methodological errors to be a fault, and to make you look like a liar to make your point. Did you not know this? if so no worries, I'm not trying to accuse you of lying if you didn't. I don't agree with his pseudo spiritual vision quest rational, and neither do a lot of psychiatrists and therapists, and you're hammering away again at the most rational and obvious conclusion in favor of vision quests. It's your right, but you're the one who jumped on my case about alien abduction theory.

So bottom line, in other words, if a person is not scientist, they have no business or right to speak about matters, that within a historically progressive depiction encompass scientific process concerning that matter. Is that your take? Because if it is, it's complete and unadulterated bullshit. NO ONE has the right to be an self appointed and entitled elitist, or to assume someone is guilty when they don't know squat for certain.

Not my take, but I would say that if a non scientist is talking to scientists and makes grand sweeping statements that the scientists can easily blow holes in, and said person starts calling them elitists or invents their own science to justify their 'findings'.... well in that case I would say that the person is a hinderance to progress. Case in point, Intelligent Design.

Still, I am certain it will continue to happen on a daily basis. Especially in countries run by self anointed and assuming tyrannical Dic(k)tators.

You sound paranoid. Nobody is out to get you, but if you bash on people they will hit back. You like making statements that sound like absolutes, which opens the doors to debate, not a big mystery.

[DrXparaMental]

You have referred several times to "powerful evidence" and "irrefutable evidence" yet youve not provided any actual evidence beyond the normal eyewitness testimony, which is proven to be incredibly faulty under test conditions. Im not berating your logic, im simply asking you to substantiate your grand claims. I never stated that you believed in Angels, I was giving an example that eyewitness testimony is incredibly dodgy.

The point I am making is this. Many UFO believers say that there is such a multitude of sightings, and there are so many eyewitness accounts that there must be some truth to it. The same applies for people who have claimed to see Jesus or Angels. There is an enormous amount of anecdotal evidence going back centuries of such sightings. Does this prove that Jesus or Angels exist? For me, its not credible, and neither is the simple fact of thousands of independent UFO sightings.

Before I start here, I wanted you to know AP that refraining from posting a dedicated post centered on what a dick head, liar and troll (something that has been echoed here on this forum dozens of times in the last few years by various members)TD is, was one the hardest things I have ever had to exercise the discipline to do. I will prove that stuff shortly. MR. TD has crossed the line. He managed that when he called me a liar. It's not on at this point, it's done.

Now, the thing to make clear first off, is that despite having a personal first hand UFO sighting experience that lasted for about 45 minutes total, was witnessed by an unrelated person I was with at the time, and was further corroborated via our local paper the following day by several other witnesses that reported the same, I DO NOT "believe" in "Aliens". Period. I am also not stupid enough to blatantly and by that which constitutes nothing short of "blind faith", deny the very real possibility that they may in fact exist. Who can say for certain? I have made that much clear right here in this thread already. That's why I refer to myself as a logical speculatist. What I do know, and will proceed to offer irrefutable evidence to support, is that the phenomenon is real, technological, and CANNOT be attributed to the typical nonsense that the average close minded and pseudo skeptical scientist wanna be moron would like everyone to think.

First off, the two strongest forms of supporting evidence (note the inclusion of the term "support", this is NOT final evidence that constitutes repetitive control or proof of an absolute)are video (digital or analog)consisting of multiple documented sightings that have been both ground radar confirmed as well as having undergone seriously scrutinize analysis via lab testing by publicly skeptical independent sources, AND, by far and away the most compelling and irrefutable evidence is offered by expert first hand testimony. Those being Pilots, Test Pilots, airborne military identification experts, astronauts and all manner of aerospace personnel of official technical capacity.

Here is something to "get you going"

http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseVi ... tion=Radar

Now, lets talk Aeronautical expertise and those that possess these irrefutable qualities, that have witnessed UFOs first hand at a relatvely close distance.

major gordon "gordo" cooper:
On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.

Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations: "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs."

"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."

donald k. slayton:
"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, grey and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

robert white:
On July 17, 1962 Major Robert White reported a UFO during his fifty-eight-mile high flight of an X-15. Major White reported: "I have no idea what it could be. It was grayish in color and about thrity to forty feet away."
Then according to a Time Magazine article, Major White exclaimed over the radio: "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!"

joseph walker:
On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washigton he said: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." - Joseph Walker To date none of those films has been released to the public for viewing.

maurice chatelain:
In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system, specifically Titan. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now." "...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."

scott carpenter:
"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."

This is some SOLID food for thought AP. It is a very misunderstood and falsely condemned phenomenon. That much is certain.

[DrXparaMental]

Tone Deft, you Sir have LOST all credibility by calling me a liar. I have never lied one time on this forum, to you, OR to anyone else for that matter. You have been arrogant, condescending and manipulative since you very first sarcastic and rude response to my first post in this thread. You're a DICK & A TROLL, plain and simple. If you Sir can quote me the lie that you claim I made by quoting me in context, thereby proving my intent to alter the truth for ANY reason, I will QUIT this forum today and NEVER return. It is YOU Sir that is a LIAR, and son, you better think damn carefully before you continue puking your self praised horse shit when it comes to calling me a "liar". You are a fraud & a seeming coward that can't even manage to publicly post his music. You claim a great deal for someone who doesn't seem to, by means of REAL substantiation, know SHIT. You sure are GREAT at tooting your own horn though.

[abort]

VEry nice link Dr X

all of which I have read and watched many times before. and do think that their is some evidence to support SOME cases but unless U.S. government confirms and releases its findings I personally think the whole thing is a farce. By choice ..cuz I don't want to live believing in something I have not seen my self.

I hope.

all of you are un-creditable sources and wish everyone would stop chucking more wood on stupid personal attacks on each other, this is bullshit!

and Dr X stop coming back here only to return to the negitive personal vendetta's of yesterday.

thanks

[ThrowAway]

drxparamental-no need to leave over this. getting owned happens to everyone at least once,although it might happen to you more frequently. i love the foot stamping and im leaving routine....reminds me of my 3 yr old nephews.

Tonedeft called you a liar because he called you out and you dodged it every time. He doesn't lose any cred, most of us know he can be a dick already.


Tonedeft: did you have to pick on the retarded fat kid till he cried? It was obvious you were right 1/4 way into this. No need to beat it to death for 5 pages os so.

I was enjoying this thread befor this argument but I guess that my karma for being an asshole many time here as well.

[DrXparaMental]

Vary nice link Dr X

all of which I have read and watched many times before. and do think that their is some evidence to support SOME cases but unless U.S. government confirms and releases its findings I personally think the whole thing is a farce. By choice ..cuz I don't want to live believing in something I have not seen my self.

I hope.

all of you are un-creditable sources and wish everyone would stop chucking more wood on stupid personal attacks on each other, this is bullshit!

and Dr X stop coming back here only to return to the negitive personal vendetta's of yesterday.

thanks

[DrXparaMental]

drxparamental-no need to leave over this. getting owned happens to everyone at least once,although it might happen to you more frequently. i love the foot stamping and im leaving routine....reminds me of my 3 yr old nephews.

Tonedeft called you a liar because he called you out and you dodged it every time. He doesn't lose any cred, most of us know he can be a dick already.


Tonedeft: did you have to pick on the retarded fat kid till he cried? It was obvious you were right 1/4 way into this. No need to beat it to death for 5 pages os so.


I was enjoying this thread befor this argument but I guess that my karma for being an asshole many time here as well.

ROTFLMAO!! NO one owns SHIT ass wipe. That's pretty much the whole point isn't it? You show me where I lied or STFU. I am simply confident I have not lied and that is why I laid that ultimatum down. Fuck you and your cat princess. I have DODGED nothing. No one has yet to show where what I stated was incorrect have they?

Cliquety fucking clack, please keep your little hot tongue off me sack.

[b0unce]

Boring semantics game.