I like operator

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parma
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I like operator

Post by parma » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:40 am

I was looking into buying FM7 and then this all this Operator being an FM synth speculation came along so I held off on my purchase and I'm glad I did. This way I get an FM synth ( and subtractive ) and get to support an innovative company. Do I wish it was priced a little lower? Sure. But I also wish my student loans would magically disappear.

As for Operator's sound, I love it - but I was already interested in buying an FM softsynth so I guess I'm inclined to like the kind of sounds Op can produce. I think some people who had a knee-jerk "this sucks" reaction to Op should delve into it with some of the tutorials and tinker with the presets. I spent two hours with it before ordering.

If you didn't have a need for this synth, I can see why you'd be disappointed in what Operator turned out to be, but I don't understand the attitude that Ableton is somehow obligated to provide its users with certain features before it markets a new product. Or that this should be a free "upgrade". Operator is an entirely new product not an upgrade. I do feel that Ableton is somewhat responsible for the "upgrade" argument in the way in which they have introduced Operator already embedded inside Live. Doing so can give the impression that we were being asked to fork over more money for something that was already "in" Live. Ableton would probably be better off not including the Op demo with 4.1 and instead make it an optional download.

As for comparing Op to other softsynths, I've found that affection for a certain synth over another is a very subjective thing. I demoed Albino (to take one synth that Op was being compared to in this forum) some time ago and didn't care for it so I didn't buy it. I did not go on Linplug's forum and post what a lowsy synth they made and how it didn't have certain features or a "sound" I was hoping for (or how I wish instead of making VSTis they would begin making an innovative loop based instrument/sequencer). I just deleted the demo and went about my merry way demoing other synths until I found one (or two or three) that I liked.

I understand that up until this point Ableton was a one product company and that seemingly all their resources went into this one product, but to expect Ableton to produce only one product forever or for all future Ableton products to be exactly what you want at exactly the price you want it at is unfair to Ableton and irrational.

Hey Operator hater, take a deep breath, find a VSTi that you like better or is more affordable for you or makes the kind of sounds you desire or has a CPU load you can live with or a UI you like better, buy it, load it in Live and enjoy.

So maybe you will occaisionally have to see the Operator Demo inside the instruments folder to remind you of how much you hate it and how much you wish it was this or that or cost this or that, but you can get over that, can't you. :wink:

Anyway, just wanted to say that I like Operator. :P

parma

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Post by colin_h » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:13 am

yes.
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Post by FaX-01 » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:19 am

colin_h wrote:yes.
And like how much does 'Sytrus' cost may I ask ..........
Ganimed - $0
OxeFM - ditto and it's as powerful as FM7.
My aren't the wings of butterflies beautiful and do they not make wonderful perturbations.....

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Post by colin_h » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:19 am

FaX-01 wrote:
colin_h wrote:yes.
And like how much does 'Sytrus' cost may I ask ..........
Ganimed - $0
OxeFM - ditto and it's as powerful as FM7.
?

Hello Fax.
Not sure why you quoted me, since my little post, which was merely a (perhaps naive) gesture towards not raging uncontrollably at a software company's new venture, had nothing to do with you or the products you mention. No offence, and good night.
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Post by parma » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:27 am

FaX-01 wrote:
And like how much does 'Sytrus' cost may I ask ..........
Ganimed - $0
OxeFM - ditto and it's as powerful as FM7.
Fantastic! You enjoy those synths and I will enjoy Operator. And life goes on.

parma

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Post by technam » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:33 am

operator rocks.....

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I like Operator

Post by Orbit-50 » Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:03 am

Excellent post Parma! It was probably the fact that the Abletons used a free update, as a vehicle to market their new plugin. That's what turned me off the most. Thanks for the insight.

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Post by loren! » Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:59 am

Well, personaly, i'm quite unhappy with all those little soft synths. They all seem to be very flat, mid range only. I just got an Alesis Ion and there is no competition. You should pay for what you get, and for 150$ you should get more than ableton is giveing you. My guess is that eventuly operator will just be included with live.

But realy, save your money for a real synth. (I pulled some strings and got my Ion for just 600, brand new.) Theres a universe of difference.

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Post by parma » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:42 am

loren! wrote: But realy, save your money for a real synth.
Well as far as I understand it, the Ion is an analog modelled digital synth with a dedicated processor and onboard effects. So, Operator is just as "real" as the Ion only it unfortunately has to share its processing needs with my computer.

And thanks for the financial advice. People always love to be told what they should do with their money, especially by people they don't know.

From this point on, I will consult you before making any purchases.

thanks

parma

parma
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Re: I like Operator

Post by parma » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:56 am

Orbit-50 wrote:It was probably the fact that the Abletons used a free update, as a vehicle to market their new plugin.
Couldn't agree more. Hopefully they will take a different approach in the future. With all the people on the forum wanting to get rid of the Op demo from their Instruments folder (which is a reasonable request I think) I wouldn't be surprised if they released a version of 4.1 without the demo embedded in the program.

Anyway I agree with you that it wasn't so much that Operator turned out to be "only" a synth plugin but the way in which it was marketed and introduced that led to most of the negative reactions.

cheers

parma

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Post by loren! » Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:14 am

When I said "A real synth," i meant for the word 'real' to describe my value of the synth, not the physical state of it. I know full well that it's a modeling synth.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. There is no need for attempted sarcasim. It was only my oppinion.

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Post by parma » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:53 am

loren! wrote:There is no need for attempted sarcasim. It was only my oppinion.
Attempted? I thought I nailed it! :wink:

all good

parma

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