Dis Warez Situation

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Jalope
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Dis Warez Situation

Post by Jalope » Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:48 pm

Dear Ableton HQ:

YOU HAVE A TRAITOR ON YOUR STAFF, THERE IS A CRACK OUT THERE FOR THE NEW UPDATE... IT'S ONLY BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF DAYS!!!!!!

WHAT IS GOING ON???

Get on the case... Get out the Lie Detector tests, Call in the investigators...Columbo, Quincy, CIA...

SORT IT OUT... NOW
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Post by tommy2000 » Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:24 pm

Warez: An incubator to create a new breed of idiots, proving that yes, trailer-trash can use computers.

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Re: Dis Warez Situation

Post by FaX-01 » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:22 pm

Jalope wrote:Dear Ableton HQ:

YOU HAVE A TRAITOR ON YOUR STAFF, THERE IS A CRACK OUT THERE FOR THE NEW UPDATE... IT'S ONLY BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF DAYS!!!!!!

WHAT IS GOING ON???

Get on the case... Get out the Lie Detector tests, Call in the investigators...Columbo, Quincy, CIA...

SORT IT OUT... NOW
:!: :!: :!:
I posted yesterday I wondered how long it would be until some asshole cracked both 4.1 and the Operator unlock code - pissed off ............ :(.

Much like the Reason 3 beta it had been released 2 weeks was already 'cracked' and a week or too later had a 20 minute time limit crack on it too apparently :cry: .
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Post by Komplex » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:27 pm

wouldn't be surprised if it was Abes themselves ;)

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Post by spiderprod » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:28 pm

most of the warez now stop working after 2 month & won't work if you reinstal it ,
does it give you a light?

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Post by michi-k » Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:59 pm

YOU HAVE A TRAITOR ON YOUR STAFF, THERE IS A CRACK OUT THERE FOR THE NEW UPDATE... IT'S ONLY BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF DAYS!!!!!! Get on the case... Get out the Lie Detector tests, Call in the investigators...Columbo, Quincy, CIA...
so u are the blockwart here? :D

As I know there is a release out by team beat, some young guys who are still learning how to crack so don't expect that this release lasts longer than 2 weeks. :wink:

have a nice weekend

michi-k

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Post by elemental » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:06 pm

why should it b an ableton staff member?

it could just as easily be anyone who downloaded and payed for the update, passed it on to the crack team and off they go.

I dont see people get so upset about warez, its a reality of software at the moment, just accept it and move on!! If u want free software its there, if u want to support innovative companies and get support back, then u just buy it!! Simple.

[prepares for flaming]

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Post by experimedia » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:38 pm

In all honesty I have watched over the many years, pirated software feed and contribute to the growth of the industry. 50% of most people who now buy and support audio software development got into all of this because they first came across a pirated version of cubase, or fruity loops, or acid, or what have you.

I guarantee even some of the abes even started out this way as well as a good percentage of the members of the board and now legal ableton owners/customers.

A while back there was an interview with one of the founders of the Radium cracking team. He claimed that on occasion a software developer would contact him requesting that they not crack and release their software which he would agree to. He went on to say that after several months the developer would contact him again saying that their sales had been very low in comparison to other similar products on the market that did have warezed copies floating around and that he felt it was because no one had heard about it because there weren't warezed copies floating around to get people interested.

I also think the Abletons know this but have found a way to use this to their advantage with some savvy copy protection code that allows the copy to be used for a few months, getting the user hooked, and then locking up on them causing them to either purchase Ableton or completely reformat.

I feel that so far uncrackable software such as Halion 3 will suffer in sales because of this.

But in all honesty I doubt someone within Ableton is directly involved in the software being cracked in such short time. 98% of all software on the market, especially software from the major companies, can be found pirated, the day after or sometimes the of its release. The warez scene is rather organized. Same thing goes with movies. You can usually find a shitty copy of a film the day after its major theater release. Sometimes even before.

I am not justifying or defending using pirated software. Just trying to point out that it has in fact contributed to the growth of the industry. Not every person that uses a pirated version of software follows the 'try before you buy' motto. But many do.

I will say with no shame, that if it weren't for the audio warez of yesteryear I wouldn't be a paying customer and supporter of the scene today. Everyone has to start somewhere and when you are a young teenager too young to work with nothing but a computer, stereo, and internet connection chances are your parents aren't going to shell out $100's of dollars to buy you some piece of software. But chances are those young kids downloading warezed software today, will turn into paying customers when they can start working and earning a decent living. Some of them may even be the next Aphex Twin, Native Instruments, or even Ableton.

You can criticize my statements all you want, complaining how its not fair to paying customers, but I know my points are valid, and in the end I feel it is all part of a cycle that only benefits everyone involved from the developers to the customers.
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Post by Jalope » Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:00 pm

yes but the traitors the TRAITORS!

*exasperated*

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Post by pepezabala » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:06 pm

I agree with experimedia.

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Post by cosmosuave » Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:48 pm

I'll fess up I had a warez version of Live and was so impresed by it that I bought the full on legit version after about 2 months since I was comfortable using the software.... There was other software that i had try'd such as Logic and ProTools... After trying these and baling on them due to there complexity and non intiuitive interfaces I saved myself a lot of money and grief.... Live is the only thing I have found that lets your creativity flow instead of getting bogged down and trying to figure out what fucking "Environment " I'm suppose to use...

Upon talking to an old friend this week who had a warez version of Live he is now purchasing the legit version... SO with the use of warez it does have it's positive aspects...


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Post by Zakari Luk » Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:46 am

i bought live just out of people recommending it to me, but i know a couple people used cracks and got so tired of it crashing out that they went out and just bought the full version. cracks i guess turn out to be good advertising at times.

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Post by Tarekith » Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:55 am

I admit I used a cracked version of Live 3 to see if it would really fit into my live set in a way I liked before I handed over the cash for it. If you could only return software you didn't like or that crashed on you!

Anyway, when Live 4 came out shortly after, I liked ver.3 so much I ended up buying ver.4 . Had I not had the chance to play with it like I would in everyday use (without the annoyances that is most demo versions of software), I doubt I would have bought it, and now actually contemplating buying Operator.

BTW, I don't think most cracked software is any less stable than the official releases. I truly think that is a common misconception, and that 95% of all cracked software behaves exactly like the orginal.

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Post by d-plate » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:53 am

you say traitor, I say reverse engineering...

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Post by MrYellow » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:34 am

I'd much rather Ableton keep the copy protection minimal and easy to
use.

No matter how advanced you try to get with copy protection it will
*always* be broken. It's better to make the process easy and bug free
for your users.

Plus most ppl doing warez are just getting to know how to use things, if
they ever go pro and use it to make money then they'll register, it's just
not worth getting caught in a "business" situation.

The warez kids might have enough to start playing around and getting
their thurst up. However once they get serious you can bet they want the
extra support and lack of issues that being a legit user brings.

Think of it as an extended trial copy.

Take a look at 3D Studio Max. There are thousands of kids with
thousands of hours experience in the software, putting demand on
corporations to buy it. All cause it is easy to crack.

-Ben

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