ot : RACISM...

[DrXparaMental]

actually I dont need you to answer that....its pretty obvious you live in fantasies. You might have a little book smarts in some areas that some people dont but that makes you far from special. If holding on to your illusion of mental superiority helps you to prop your self esteem up then by all means keep at it. But when you grow tired of the facade you use to trick yourself and you finally come to grips of your worthlessness can you video tape it when you off yourself? please leave the sammy haggar and other shitty music you listen to off the soundtrack though.

Dude, ever thought about picking up a copy of spelling and basic grammar from morons? It'd do you a world of good. Especially on that fast food resume you been working on.

funny though everything was spelled correctly, need new glasses?

My man, you better stick to super no-life welder. Hopefully you can do that better than you proof read your own words. Next time you come out with a bunch of half ass nonsense about someone you know dick about, ask yourself, "am I going to make a FOOL of myself like I did before?". Just some friendly advise.

[Android Bishop]

you want to blame society's problems on the lowest echelon of the lower class? let's talk about the upper 2% that holds HALF of the world's wealth. quite a few assholes in that crowd destroying entire countries. to even bring up economic/societal damage in a thread about racism and point it to illegals is pretty much declaring yourself racist, it's racial profiling.

I have a LOT of criticisms for that upper echelon of society. However, I'm not going to pretend like the masses are innocent just because they're poor. Furthermore, as I stated earlier, the real blame for the illegal immigration problem is the people who hire them and give them incentives to be here in the first place. That's really where the problem lies.

I don't care for how you guys vilify the lower class, this kinda makes me think less of you as a person. sorry, I can't think of a way to phrase that without it being a personal attack.

That's fine, I'm still going to speak my piece. I dont do it for my own sense of self righteousness, as I have plenty of criticisms for my own race, my own gender, my own economic class as well. I speak out because I see shit that I think is damaging to our civilization and our environment, and I could give a fuck how that makes me appear to people. If certain behaviors ("good" or "bad") are prevalent in a certain "race" of people, then call me a racist because I will point it out. The same is true for any group, whether it be religion or gender or sexual orientation. All I care about is promoting good characteristics and ideas and judging and eliminating bad characteristics and ideas, wherever they may lie.

[scott nathaniel]

you want to blame society's problems on the lowest echelon of the lower class? let's talk about the upper 2% that holds HALF of the world's wealth. quite a few assholes in that crowd destroying entire countries. to even bring up economic/societal damage in a thread about racism and point it to illegals is pretty much declaring yourself racist, it's racial profiling.

I have a LOT of criticisms for that upper echelon of society. However, I'm not going to pretend like the masses are innocent just because they're poor. Furthermore, as I stated earlier, the real blame for the illegal immigration problem is the people who hire them and give them incentives to be here in the first place. That's really where the problem lies.

I don't care for how you guys vilify the lower class, this kinda makes me think less of you as a person. sorry, I can't think of a way to phrase that without it being a personal attack.

That's fine, I'm still going to speak my piece. I dont do it for my own sense of self righteousness, as I have plenty of criticisms for my own race, my own gender, my own economic class as well. I speak out because I see shit that I think is damaging to our civilization and our environment, and I could give a fuck how that makes me appear to people. If certain behaviors ("good" or "bad") are prevalent in a certain "race" of people, then call me a racist because I will point it out. The same is true for any group, whether it be religion or gender or sexual orientation. All I care about is promoting good characteristics and ideas and judging and eliminating bad characteristics and ideas, wherever they may lie.

You fight a good fight Bish, but immigration will never be enforced. For the better or for the worse, you might as well consider it the modern day form of colonization They're not running from home; they're expanding.

[ThrowAway]

My man, you better stick to super no-life welder.

Your on par with Bill Oreilly's level of hypocrisy.

[Tone Deft]

you want to blame society's problems on the lowest echelon of the lower class? let's talk about the upper 2% that holds HALF of the world's wealth. quite a few assholes in that crowd destroying entire countries. to even bring up economic/societal damage in a thread about racism and point it to illegals is pretty much declaring yourself racist, it's racial profiling.

I have a LOT of criticisms for that upper echelon of society. However, I'm not going to pretend like the masses are innocent just because they're poor. Furthermore, as I stated earlier, the real blame for the illegal immigration problem is the people who hire them and give them incentives to be here in the first place. That's really where the problem lies.

I don't care for how you guys vilify the lower class, this kinda makes me think less of you as a person. sorry, I can't think of a way to phrase that without it being a personal attack.

That's fine, I'm still going to speak my piece. I dont do it for my own sense of self righteousness, as I have plenty of criticisms for my own race, my own gender, my own economic class as well. I speak out because I see shit that I think is damaging to our civilization and our environment, and I could give a fuck how that makes me appear to people. If certain behaviors ("good" or "bad") are prevalent in a certain "race" of people, then call me a racist because I will point it out. The same is true for any group, whether it be religion or gender or sexual orientation. All I care about is promoting good characteristics and ideas and judging and eliminating bad characteristics and ideas, wherever they may lie.

I imagine living in LA also gives you a perspective that many do not. living in SF I get a different perspective, it's a very mixed race town, people partially live here because they like that. I've met plenty of illegals here, but we don't have the social environment you do.

I hope you caught my edit to that last post.

edit - ^ btw I don't think that of you, we disagree and you manage to convey your points in the face of lots of opposition without sounding like you're carrying a load in your diapers. I'm sure you know the profile of the kind of poster I'm talking about.

[DrXparaMental]

i substantiated my facts on how much tax is collected with a link from the US GOVERNMENT, and used your own data for the actual cost of illegals. It is basic math that shows that the cost of illegals (a figure that YOU provided which certainly may be inflated) is less than one percent of the amount collected in tax.

The fuck you did. What you did was weakly substantiate how many DIRECT tax dollars paid to our government that are collected with respect to the specific illegal immigration issue. NOT, the entirety of the national expense that the issue raises. NOT even close. Those issues are what drive taxes UP across the board. Are you so blind that you don't realize that the prices of EVERYTHING is inflated because of this very illegitimacy? Some people are too busy thinking about the cost of fruits and vegetables and forget about the other 99.9% of the inflationary prone realm of commodities. These commodities are in fact driven UP across the board because of an unequal representation of consumer spending due to an illegitimate citizenry. Welcome to the machine? Maybe, but assuredly, welcome to the school of reality.

Is any of that supposed to mean something? vague nonsense. Interestingly enough, it's exactly the kind of empty argument that you are accusing others of employing.

This is too stupid to respond to but I'll try. If you don't get it, I guess the short bus is always a viable option. Just because you can't find any merit in being a US Citizen, is no reason to base an inept argument that defends the illegitimacy of the same citizenry as being justifiable in the light of sheer laziness as it's too much trouble to address. Where is the logic in that? Honestly LM, you need to stop playing pretend inside outsider and attempt to reap the benefit of your inherent rights as a US Citizen. Maybe if you did, and you quit feeling sorry for yourself as you condemn everything before you even give the ride a try, you might just gain a whole new perspective.

two questions about your brilliant idea:

1 - Who's going to round them up, and who's going to pay for it?

2 - What's going to happen to the businesses that currently employ these people illegally? And who's going to pay for that?



Of course i know you have no answer to this because it's the same argument i've already presented and that you've been completely unable to reply to.



.lm.

Here again we have you flattering yourself without so much as a modicum of molecular sized substantiation for your subversive folly.

Answer 1. Themselves. Let them pay their own way home with a fraction of their illegitimately earned income. If they don't have the money readily saved or available, let them work off their debt of passage back home. Plenty of infrastructure work to be done.Simple eh?

Answer 2.Are you kidding me? Have you ever been in business or ever even worked for one? If those businesses that are illegitimate citizenry dependent are unable to survive while paying taxes and the other systematic normalcies that the price of being in business consists of, time to go and all their legitimate competition will be all the better for it. The economy flourishes in this sense as it's just the basic law of the economic jungle. ROTFLMAO!! What, do you think the economic structure of small and medium sized business will crumble under the weight of the absence of illegal workers? My man, you need a little business reality 101. Sign up today!

[scott nathaniel]

I imagine living in LA also gives you a perspective that many do not

Yeah maybe, if he's fucking walking down Whittier Blvd. But if he's spending his days in West Hollywood, his perspective will be a lot different. The earth gets darker the more inland one goes, here, in Sunny Cali.

[Android Bishop]

I imagine living in LA also gives you a perspective that many do not. living in SF I get a different perspective, it's a very mixed race town, people partially live here because they like that.

It does, and its where most of my prejudices come from. There's only so much crap I can experience before I start to come to large scale judgments.And believe me, LA is a different story than what you guys up north have to deal with. I have several friends who moved here with pure, open minds...and within a year they've become full blown racists too. Shit, more than half of my friends are mexicans or other latinos and even THEY talk nonstop shit on the pisas, cholos, and baby-factory hoochies that are fucking up their communities. Its a real problem, I'm not just making shit up to justify my own superiority or anything.

However, this country has been through this before with other immigrant populations and hopefully things will balance out.

I hope you caught my edit to that last post.

I did, but you dont need a disclaimer. I like you anyway

[scott nathaniel]

I have several friends who moved here with pure, open minds...and within a year they've become full blown racists too.

There's a pretty blatant admittance to what you are.

[Tone Deft]

I imagine living in LA also gives you a perspective that many do not. living in SF I get a different perspective, it's a very mixed race town, people partially live here because they like that.

It does, and its where most of my prejudices come from. There's only so much crap I can experience before I start to come to large scale judgments.And believe me, LA is a different story than what you guys up north have to deal with. I have several friends who moved here with pure, open minds...and within a year they've become full blown racists too. Shit, more than half of my friends are mexicans or other latinos and even THEY talk nonstop shit on the pisas, cholos, and baby-factory hoochies that are fucking up their communities. Its a real problem, I'm not just making shit up to justify my own superiority or anything.

However, this country has been through this before with other immigrant populations and hopefully things will balance out.

I hope you caught my edit to that last post.

I did, but you dont need a disclaimer. I like you anyway

thanks, sometimes these get out of hand and people lose respect for each other.

there's an old saying that everyone should live in the city but leave before it makes them jaded, be careful.

I hate everyone, in the city people are used to ignoring everyone. besides, people are fun to watch.

[Android Bishop]

I have several friends who moved here with pure, open minds...and within a year they've become full blown racists too.

There's a pretty blatant admittance to what you are.

OOooOOooh !!!

there's an old saying that everyone should live in the city but leave before it makes them jaded, be careful.

Dude, that moment has LONG come already. And I aint leaving the city. I traveled enough to know how boring the country is. Being jaded gives me a false sense of superiority

[starving student]

the problem with you is that you don't realize that your race your gender your economic class or your religion isn't any better than anyone elses, what you need to be doing is talking to your fucking self cause you have a realllllllll problem.

[Android Bishop]

the problem with you is that you don't realize that your race your gender your economic class or your religion isn't any better than anyone elses, what you need to be doing is talking to your fucking self cause you have a realllllllll problem.

You seem to have a problem of not reading what I write carefully enough, because I clearly stated that I DO criticize all of those things. Nor have I asserted any one of them as superior over another. Maybe if you break it down into specific facets we can start arguing over which one is superior over another in each regard, but the number of things you can use as a comparison are endless and therefore one cannot say one thing is "better" than another overall.

[Slightlydelic]

i watched this documentary about racism just the other day.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9627714346

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