ot : RACISM...

[leisuremuffin]

i substantiated my facts on how much tax is collected with a link from the US GOVERNMENT, and used your own data for the actual cost of illegals. It is basic math that shows that the cost of illegals (a figure that YOU provided which certainly may be inflated) is less than one percent of the amount collected in tax.

The fuck you did. What you did was weakly substantiate how many DIRECT tax dollars paid to our government that are collected with respect to the specific illegal immigration issue. NOT, the entirety of the national expense that the issue raises. NOT even close. Those issues are what drive taxes UP across the board. Are you so blind that you don't realize that the prices of EVERYTHING is inflated because of this very illegitimacy? Some people are too busy thinking about the cost of fruits and vegetables and forget about the other 99.9% of the inflationary prone realm of commodities. These commodities are in fact driven UP across the board because of an unequal representation of consumer spending due to an illegitimate citizenry. Welcome to the machine? Maybe, but assuredly, welcome to the school of reality.

Aha. Now, I'd like you to think back to what you were saying just a moment ago. You were saying that i had provided nothing but rhetoric, and you had been dealing in facts. I'd like to point out that the truth is that i provided facts from a reputable and impartial source (the IRS) to back up my statement, you have provided nothing but opinion. Or do you have some way of quantifying anything that you are saying here? Frankly, it's so horribly put together that I can barely read it.

This is too stupid to respond to but I'll try. If you don't get it, I guess the short bus is always a viable option. Just because you can't find any merit in being a US Citizen, is no reason to base an inept argument that defends the illegitimacy of the same citizenry as being justifiable in the light of sheer laziness as it's too much trouble to address. Where is the logic in that? Honestly LM, you need to stop playing pretend inside outsider and attempt to reap the benefit of your inherent rights as a US Citizen. Maybe if you did, and you quit feeling sorry for yourself as you condemn everything before you even give the ride a try, you might just gain a whole new perspective.

Truly i have little idea of what you're trying to say here. sorry. I don't see how you have decided that I don't find any merit in being a US citizen, and the rest of that is again, horribly put together to the point of being near illegible. I should attempt to reap the benefit of my inherent rights as a US citizen? I most certainly do, I vote and am an active participant in this country's process by being vocal with my representatives. What rights are you talking about? The right to bitch about immigrants and refer to them as "a bunch of uneducated third world vagrants?"

Here again we have you flattering yourself without so much as a modicum of molecular sized substantiation for your subversive folly.

Answer 1. Themselves. Let them pay their own way home with a fraction of their illegitimately earned income. If they don't have the money readily saved or available, let them work off their debt of passage back home. Plenty of infrastructure work to be done.Simple eh?

Answer 2.Are you kidding me? Have you ever been in business or ever even worked for one? If those businesses that are illegitimate citizenry dependent are unable to survive while paying taxes and the other systematic normalcies that the price of being in business consists of, time to go and all their legitimate competition will be all the better for it. The economy flourishes in this sense as it's just the basic law of the economic jungle. ROTFLMAO!! What, do you think the economic structure of small and medium sized business will crumble under the weight of the absence of illegal workers? My man, you need a little business reality 101. Sign up today!

easy on the five dollar words and alliteration, champ, you might hurt yourself.

So you really believe that you can pay for the cost of finding and deporting every illegal immigrant by seizing their assets or pressing them into labor? That's laughable at best.

your understanding of economics is pretty laughable too.


Whatever DrX. You're not even a worthy adversary. Everyone but you can see what a complete clown you are.




.lm.

[starving student]

the problem with you is that you don't realize that your race your gender your economic class or your religion isn't any better than anyone elses, what you need to be doing is talking to your fucking self cause you have a realllllllll problem.

You seem to have a problem of not reading what I write carefully enough, because I clearly stated that I DO criticize all of those things. Nor have I asserted any one of them as superior over another. Maybe if you break it down into specific facets we can start arguing over which one is superior over another in each regard, but the number of things you can use as a comparison are endless and therefore one cannot say one thing is "better" than another overall.

no I see what you are doing and what you need to do is read your own words more carefully, take this statement up above for instance your last words should be 'at all!' instead of 'overall', Bs is still Bs no matter how minute the particles and your degrees of subtlety are only amusing to the easily amused.

[Android Bishop]

the problem with you is that you don't realize that your race your gender your economic class or your religion isn't any better than anyone elses, what you need to be doing is talking to your fucking self cause you have a realllllllll problem.

You seem to have a problem of not reading what I write carefully enough, because I clearly stated that I DO criticize all of those things. Nor have I asserted any one of them as superior over another. Maybe if you break it down into specific facets we can start arguing over which one is superior over another in each regard, but the number of things you can use as a comparison are endless and therefore one cannot say one thing is "better" than another overall.

no I see what you are doing and what you need to do is read your own words more carefully, take this statement up above for instance your last words should be 'at all!' instead of 'overall', Bs is still Bs no matter how minute the particles and your degrees of subtlety are only amusing to the easily amused.

Not true. Again, cultures share common characteristics that distinguish themselves from other cultures. Over time and various cultures, certain characteristics can be compared to other ones. For a long period of time, Arabic culture smoked the world in mathematics and science. For decades, black culture was the most musically progressive. To pretend like every culture is equal in every regard at all times is to pretend like there are no cultures at all. There ARE different cultures in the world, with different characteristics, and it is perfectly reasonable to compare those characteristics with other cultures.

[scott nathaniel]

Again, cultures share common characteristics that distinguish themselves from other cultures.

You meant to write that people within a particular culture share common characteristics that separate them from other cultures, right? Don't try so hard, B it's just a forum full of twots like us.

[DrXparaMental]

Aha. Now, I'd like you to think back to what you were saying just a moment ago. You were saying that i had provided nothing but rhetoric, and you had been dealing in facts. I'd like to point out that the truth is that i provided facts from a reputable and impartial source (the IRS) to back up my statement, you have provided nothing but opinion. Or do you have some way of quantifying anything that you are saying here? Frankly, it's so horribly put together that I can barely read it.

That's a funny way of stating "hey, you're right. I never thought about that." Because, you pretty much dodged everything that I CLEARLY stated and thereby forfeited. More nonsense that completely evades the issue as addressed as per usual. Small minded, incredibly so.

Truly i have little idea of what you're trying to say here. sorry. I don't see how you have decided that I don't find any merit in being a US citizen, and the rest of that is again, horribly put together to the point of being near illegible. I should attempt to reap the benefit of my inherent rights as a US citizen? I most certainly do, I vote and am an active participant in this country's process by being vocal with my representatives. What rights are you talking about? The right to bitch about immigrants and refer to them as "a bunch of uneducated third world vagrants?"

"illegible", better go look up the meaning of the word because if you can't read basic "type" you DO have some serious issues. More serious than I had imagined. But have no fear leisure biscuit, I'm a patient man, and you, well you're just a pretend hippie in disguise. Ya, ya, ya, that's a mighty convenient excuse to evade context eh? Hippies do the most complaining and bitching of all. That's because they are so certain everyone else is wrong that doesn't see the world via their smoke filled dreams. You keep dreaming and feeling sorry for everyone. You have pretty much proved that as long as you personally are not footing the bill for the "hustlers" as you put it, you're fine with it all right? 10.4 billion that's nothing as long as we have worse problems (monetary debt) to compare this issue to.

Where is your music anyhow? I never have heard anything you have done. Would love to.

easy on the five dollar words and alliteration, champ, you might hurt yourself.

Hey, it's you that is whining and complaining about "illegibility". Who's hurting who?

So you really believe that you can pay for the cost of finding and deporting every illegal immigrant by seizing their assets or pressing them into labor? That's laughable at best.

How much did it cost to get them here to begin with? Again, your logic is nonexistent. You're either a bleeding heart or you just plain don't give a shit. Either way, you're wrong and the saddest, and indeed the most pathetic part of all, is your willingness to roll over and take it. Just so long as you can moxie and ruffle your pretend feathers online about issues that you can't even begin to address. If you can't deal with the ground level issues, why not pretend you're superman and go for those on the 14th floor eh? Dreamer.

your understanding of economics is pretty laughable too.

Really? Demonstrate your superior skillz MR. Mad (I work in a record store) Money and show me just how laughable I am.

Whatever DrX. You're not even a worthy adversary. Everyone but you can see what a complete clown you are.

ROTFLMAO! Fail. Completely so and lame at that. When you do that kind of shit you need to use your imagination. Holy limp noodles.

[leisuremuffin]

[starving student]

no I see what you are doing and what you need to do is read your own words more carefully, take this statement up above for instance your last words should be 'at all!' instead of 'overall', Bs is still Bs no matter how minute the particles and your degrees of subtlety are only amusing to the easily amused.[/quote]

Not true. Again, cultures share common characteristics that distinguish themselves from other cultures. Over time and various cultures, certain characteristics can be compared to other ones. For a long period of time, Arabic culture smoked the world in mathematics and science. For decades, black culture was the most musically progressive. To pretend like every culture is equal in every regard at all times is to pretend like there are no cultures at all. There ARE different cultures in the world, with different characteristics, and it is perfectly reasonable to compare those characteristics with other cultures.

that may be the propaganda that you've been raised with but you have no idea what culture is, the very definition of culture goes against what you're saying, you speak as if you're weilding exact science and I hate to break it to you but you're not. I love your tongue and cheekyness, "for decades black culture was the most musically progressive" ok, and if that's how it was for decades then whos culture is the most musically progressive now sherlock hmmmmmm?
what a joke
musically progressive to whom?
you remind me of that dave chappelle character who was blind and could not believe that he was not white, just like scott said you really are trying to hard, stick with the fundamentals there is no such thing as a culture smoking a world.

[Homebelly]

For decades, black culture was the most musically progressive.

This part is gold

Did you forget the part about dancing and sport?

[Minimal Justice System]

I love you guys and your eternal 'racism' battle. It's what makes this forum so..... Special.

[starving student]

For decades, black culture was the most musically progressive.

This part is gold

Did you forget the part about dancing and sport?

too many O's in his cherrios but now we see what's really goin on.
patience has been a virtue

[fishmonkey]

Not true. Again, cultures share common characteristics that distinguish themselves from other cultures. Over time and various cultures, certain characteristics can be compared to other ones. For a long period of time, Arabic culture smoked the world in mathematics and science. For decades, black culture was the most musically progressive. To pretend like every culture is equal in every regard at all times is to pretend like there are no cultures at all. There ARE different cultures in the world, with different characteristics, and it is perfectly reasonable to compare those characteristics with other cultures.

you are seriously digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole here...

because of your personal and cultural biases, you are talking about cultures (and therefore people) like they are consumer goods... hey, this culture has a 96" screen, and well, that culture over there doesn't even have a hi def tuner!

maybe you mean well, but when you think and talk about people and cultures like that, you are on the slippery slope to eugenics...

[fishmonkey]

DrX, maybe you should try reading the whole thread again...

you keep talking like you've substantiated some grand theory, when in fact all you've done is post a few links to some arguably heavily biased websites...

whenever your sources are questioned, you choose to ignore the actual substantive criticism, and instead throw childish insults around...

since you haven't provided any credible (i.e. demonstrably unbiased) research, it is only logical to conclude that you share the views of the creators of the websites that you have referenced... is that all you've got?

i have no problem with you having a strong opinion, but so far you've done an awful job of defending it... all you've done is make yourself look like an extremely unpleasant dogmatist...

[Android Bishop]

A culture is a group of people that share some common characteristic(s) distinguishable from other cultures. This simple definition requires a basis of comparison based on generalities derived from the whole of the group in question. I honestly find it quite silly that you guys are getting yourselves so worked up and angry over such a simple concept. If you cannot compare different cultures based upon different criteria, THEN YOU ADMIT THERE ARE NO DIFFERENT CULTURES TO BEGIN WITH. The very idea that there are different cultures in existence means that you must differentiate them based upon certain criteria in order to distinguish them from each other.

Why is this idea so offensive to you? Why do you find it so threatening? How can you possibly refute this idea? Its not a bad or a good thing, its just the way it is by the fact that we even form cultures at all.

[fishmonkey]

the idea of there being cultures is not at issue here, it's your method of comparing and judging them... so far you've said Mexico has a shit culture, and cheeseburgers and "normal" corn are good...

when you only compare the bits that you think are important, and make generalizations and value judgements based on those then yes, there are issues...

[Tone Deft]

I think there's a good dose of xenophobia wrapped up in there.



where is 3dot, that little turd needs to clean this up.