Sasha - new controller for ableton

supster · Post by **supster** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:10 pm

well said

16 BIT wrote:
Ive never participated in Sasha threads for good reason except this one.

You obviously have no idea what Sasha is doing and you neither consider his style of music which doesnt lend itself well to 4 bar loops. Thats fien for techno, experimental, glitch or anything else similiar.

Each track that sasha plays is cut up in to 8-10 sections of varying length. In his browser he has a folder for each track. He opens say 'Underword Born Slippy folder and in there he selects the 8 clips and drags them in to the clip view (all at the same time) He then triggers clips as and when they are needed and of course he can bring in the other song from the second track at any time. When that track is playing he opens up another folder with multiple clips and replaces them over track one.

We should all bear in mind that Sasha doesnt play loop techno bleep techno glitch techno which is much easier to work with. lets face it loops techno isnt exactly difficult to mix either as there is very little to worry about regarding the key of the track and so on.

Sasha plays songs, but now he can play parts of song, edit out sections he doesnt like but through it all what he does still sounds like a song.

I see nothing wrong with what he is doing. Its basically the same as live techno loop users loading up 100 clips except Sasha likes to keep his real estate a bit cleaner.

All said and done Sasha may not be the most original user of Live but when your a Dj of that stature it makes sense to be careful. After all if youwere being paid 20k for a gig its not going to gow down well if your set is a mish mash of rubbish.

michaellacy · Post by **michaellacy** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:19 pm

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but your tone is wrong. and your conception of where this music came from, who's responsible for it, and what constitutes "underground" now or in 1987 when i got involved is laughable at best. not to mention the concept of sasha tracks living in infamy is downright fucking hilarious.[/quote]

uhh...his tracks WILL be classics for as long as people listen to underground house. im sorry that hurts you somehow.

sashas remixes, especially the older ones, are timeless and compared to what others at that time were doing - remarkable. undeniable. for anyone to try and argue otherwise is just plain ignorant.

its so easy to throw stones at someone at the top when you want to be there instead.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:20 pm

supster wrote:well said

16 BIT wrote:
Ive never participated in Sasha threads for good reason except this one.

You obviously have no idea what Sasha is doing and you neither consider his style of music which doesnt lend itself well to 4 bar loops. Thats fien for techno, experimental, glitch or anything else similiar.

Each track that sasha plays is cut up in to 8-10 sections of varying length. In his browser he has a folder for each track. He opens say 'Underword Born Slippy folder and in there he selects the 8 clips and drags them in to the clip view (all at the same time) He then triggers clips as and when they are needed and of course he can bring in the other song from the second track at any time. When that track is playing he opens up another folder with multiple clips and replaces them over track one.

We should all bear in mind that Sasha doesnt play loop techno bleep techno glitch techno which is much easier to work with. lets face it loops techno isnt exactly difficult to mix either as there is very little to worry about regarding the key of the track and so on.

Sasha plays songs, but now he can play parts of song, edit out sections he doesnt like but through it all what he does still sounds like a song.

I see nothing wrong with what he is doing. Its basically the same as live techno loop users loading up 100 clips except Sasha likes to keep his real estate a bit cleaner.

All said and done Sasha may not be the most original user of Live but when your a Dj of that stature it makes sense to be careful. After all if youwere being paid 20k for a gig its not going to gow down well if your set is a mish mash of rubbish.

OK, now let me fucking explain something. Some of us here compose ORIGINAL MUSIC using ableton live. Wow, imagine that.

Basically, we are arguing about someone who is playing other people's records. Look, I have no problems with DJs. I understand how long it takes to learn how to beat match and blend tracks. And i understand how the point of a DJ is to make the vibe right for the party. However, using ableton live to do it makes it pretty fucking easy. Oh, and figuring out how to get two tracks to work together melodically? Fucking cake if you have time to figure it out and don't have to kep pitch and time linked.

-lm

michaellacy · Post by **michaellacy** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:26 pm

leisuremuffin wrote: OK, now let me fucking explain something. Some of us here compose ORIGINAL MUSIC using ableton live. Wow, imagine that.

Basically, we are arguing about someone who is playing other people's records. Look, I have no problems with DJs. I understand how long it takes to learn how to beat match and blend tracks. And i understand how the point of a DJ is to make the vibe right for the party. However, using ableton live to do it makes it pretty fucking easy. Oh, and figuring out how to get two tracks to work together melodically? Fucking cake if you have time to figure it out and don't have to kep pitch and time linked.

-lm

youre right...you must be MUCH more creative and technically savvy than any bigtime DJ and therefore deserve to be rich...and loved....

in order to right this wrong lets take the credit and awards away from them all and you can have them since it sounds like you deserve it all and they deserve nothing. do you take pay pal? its sure great to get this all straightened out finally.

drush · Post by **drush** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:42 pm

michaellacy wrote:uhh...his tracks WILL be classics for as long as people listen to underground house. im sorry that hurts you somehow.

sashas remixes, especially the older ones, are timeless and compared to what others at that time were doing - remarkable. undeniable. for anyone to try and argue otherwise is just plain ignorant.

its so easy to throw stones at someone at the top when you want to be there instead.

you are absolutely right. his tracks do hurt me.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:42 pm

michael, you sir, are an idiot.

I do not now, or have i ever, intended to make music for you or anyone else to approve of. I happen to do it because i love it. I neither want or need credit for anything.

As for my problem with the compleate bullshit you are saying, the fact of the matter is that Sasha is not now, or has ever been underground, or a pioneer of anything. He is just an average DJ who has more than average hype surrounding him.

Do you know where the term house music comes from, fuckwit? Lemme give you a chance, try to answer, no cheating with google now. I'll let you know this though, shit is way older than Sasha. So there is no fucking way that he "was underground before there was an underground" as you claim.

this is it, this is the last post i'm wasting my time with here. enjoy the rest of the fucking stupidity.

michaellacy · Post by **michaellacy** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:02 am

theres nothing i can say to such idiocy....who pre dates sasha in progressive - noone.

i suppose hes just some random guy that out of nowhere just became popular for ..umm..no reason...exactly how does that happen? without positively affecting a rather large group of people in a profound way....

do you think youre one up because you want to pre date sasha with your trivial pursuit knowledge of "the warehouse"?

its awfully republican of you to talk about someone who's music you arent in the least bit familiar with.

16 BIT · Post by **16 BIT** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:33 pm

AdamJay wrote:It all depends on how you measure success really.

Just because he has a publicist does not make him any more or less successful. It just makes him more annoying. Like Ashlee Simpson is annoying.

Are you serious Adam?

Generally most of what you say on this forum has much validity, but other times you tend to act childish. I can only assume your envious of his success. What other reason could there be.?

When I look at someone like Ritchie Hawtin I see little difference in what he does compared to Sasha. Many like hawtins stuff, I personally think the man is overrated but I respect his choice and the choice of others to hail the man as a pioneer. But as Techno goes give me Mills, UR any day. And as a true pioneer Aphex Twin beats them all hands down. He is and always has been uncomprimising.

As for PR, you are doing your own PR constantly posting on this forum and maybe some others?. I bet if you checked your web stats a lot of hits have come directly from this forum. Am I right?

I have no problem with how, where and when you PR yourself but I guarantee if you had the major success Sasha has had YOU would also have a publicist, agent, manager, hanger ons etc.

BUT, You cant put Sasha success down to a Publicist. Sasha was doing his thing when you were still playing with your speak and spell. Dont forget that while you americans were still rocking it out to Guns N Roses the brits were tramping across fields on ther way to the illegal raves....and THATS where Sasha started.

There is a track that Sasha co wrote with darren emmerson (I cant recall its name) This track is superb. Tons of Techno Dj's played it, as well as trance, tech house etc. That is the sign of a good track, one that crosses genre borders.

Your just being to hard on the man for no good reason that I can see. If you have good reason then please expalin.

For the record Im not even a Sasha fan, but I do see without a shadow of a doubt he is helping all of us Live users. HE"S PR'ing FOR US TO

16 BIT · Post by **16 BIT** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:44 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:
supster wrote:well said

16 BIT wrote:
Ive never participated in Sasha threads for good reason except this one.

You obviously have no idea what Sasha is doing and you neither consider his style of music which doesnt lend itself well to 4 bar loops. Thats fien for techno, experimental, glitch or anything else similiar.

Each track that sasha plays is cut up in to 8-10 sections of varying length. In his browser he has a folder for each track. He opens say 'Underword Born Slippy folder and in there he selects the 8 clips and drags them in to the clip view (all at the same time) He then triggers clips as and when they are needed and of course he can bring in the other song from the second track at any time. When that track is playing he opens up another folder with multiple clips and replaces them over track one.

We should all bear in mind that Sasha doesnt play loop techno bleep techno glitch techno which is much easier to work with. lets face it loops techno isnt exactly difficult to mix either as there is very little to worry about regarding the key of the track and so on.

Sasha plays songs, but now he can play parts of song, edit out sections he doesnt like but through it all what he does still sounds like a song.

I see nothing wrong with what he is doing. Its basically the same as live techno loop users loading up 100 clips except Sasha likes to keep his real estate a bit cleaner.

All said and done Sasha may not be the most original user of Live but when your a Dj of that stature it makes sense to be careful. After all if youwere being paid 20k for a gig its not going to gow down well if your set is a mish mash of rubbish.
lesiuremuffin

OK, now let me fucking explain something. Some of us here compose ORIGINAL MUSIC using ableton live. Wow, imagine that.

Sasha doesnt compose original music, are you sure about that?

Sasha is much more clued up than your average DJ in the studio. Trust me I know.

On another note reagrding this thread

A few days ago I was publicly humiliated by Reiner (ableton) for not being very nice to deadbeat. yet on this thread there are many Fucky You's thrown back and forth. Not only on this thread, but many others.

Thats justice Huh!!

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:03 pm

16 BIT wrote:
leisuremuffin wrote:
supster wrote:well said

lesiuremuffin

OK, now let me fucking explain something. Some of us here compose ORIGINAL MUSIC using ableton live. Wow, imagine that.

Sasha doesnt compose original music, are you sure about that?

Sasha is much more clued up than your average DJ in the studio. Trust me I know.

On another note reagrding this thread

A few days ago I was publicly humiliated by Reiner (ableton) for not being very nice to deadbeat. yet on this thread there are many Fucky You's thrown back and forth. Not only on this thread, but many others.

Thats justice Huh!!

Kinda makes you think, doesn't it?

16 BIT · Post by **16 BIT** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:25 pm

Yes Hoffman it certainly does fforce me to wonder why I have been the only member ever to my knowledge to be singled out. I wont deny I am still quite pissed off at that.