Drum Rack confusion

[Tarekith]

I must be having a brain fart or something, but creating custom Drum Racksis doing my head in today. Why are some drum rack presets (the individual instrument sounds in the drum racks library, not whole kits) set up with "All" selected in the note input field, while others have a specific note vaklue assigned? This makes it REALLY a pain in the ass to assign choke groups to drum chains, as of course those with all ALL selected can't be assigned to choke groups. Really frustrating because if you now change the input midi note value to something else, the midi notes previously recorded seem to disappear. for those chains. Bug?

Just trying to mix drum presets from the Drum Machines and Sessions Drums add ons into my own custom Drum Racks, and it's been a real show stopper trying to sort out these choke groups.

I feel like I'm missing something obvious....

[Tarekith]

For instance, Kick-808 below is correctly set as C1 when I drag it to the C1 pad. The Session Drums snare is not set to C#1 though, but instead ALL. Not a really big deal at this point. Now I drag in a closed and an open HH from the Session Drums pack, and again they are set to ALL as the input. This means that the choke group field does nothing, so I cannot make the HH's cut each other off.



So now I change the input midi field in the rack chains for the HH's so that they match the note numbers my controller is sending. (BTW, I'd love to see an option to click on this field and set these values via midi controller input, would make things MUCH faster).



So now when I play my controller, the correct drum rack cells and chains for the HH parts are triggering, but I no longer get any sound. WTF? I double check the session drums preset, and even convert Simpler -> Sampler, and the notes I'm trying to trigger ARE assigned to C3 in that device, yet still no sound.

[Lucid]

So now I change the input midi field in the rack chains for the HH's so that they match the note numbers my controller is sending. (BTW, I'd love to see an option to click on this field and set these values via midi controller input, would make things MUCH faster).

Good idea.. that would be useful

[longjohns]

let me start with a short answer, before completely exploring the issue

typically, if it's set to 'all' - it means that the content of that chain is another drum rack.

[longjohns]

notice that when you changed the note routing in the top rack, that the pads assumed the name of the RACK, instead of the sample (presumably sampleS) which is (are) happening inside it

[longjohns]

(BTW, I'd love to see an option to click on this field and set these values via midi controller input, would make things MUCH faster).

agreed, the scrolling list of all 128 notes is very lame

[longjohns]

can you post the rack as a file so I can see it

[Jekblad]

have you restarted, re-opened the set yet?

Not sure what the prob is, everything looks straightaway from here. i will say this whole bit has annoyed me in the past. I should be able to drop a drum onto any pad and have it play. If you drop that kick drum on something besides C1 it won't work, and you have to to select the proper midi note from a giant list of tiny letters. Worst workflow killer ever.

What determines the setting for that "note in" setting anyway?

drum racks are kinda pissin me off. i feel like if it's a group within a group it has to be set to "all", to let the notes pass through to the next drum rack. So if it's the final rack in the chain the setting would be a single note. (this is a guess)

OK i'm the slowest poster ever. gah.

[Tarekith]

let me start with a short answer, before completely exploring the issue

typically, if it's set to 'all' - it means that the content of that chain is another drum rack.

Or an instrument rack, as in this case.

[Tarekith]

can you post the rack as a file so I can see it

Sure, here you go:

http://tarekith.com/assets/StupidFlockingDrumRack.zip

[longjohns]

if it's a group within a group it has to be set to "all", to let the notes pass through to the next drum rack. So if it's the final rack in the chain the setting would be a single note. (this is a guess)

that's correct

[Tarekith]

I believe these are multiple-sampled simplers on this case. Would be kind of dumb if you couldn't use choke groups with those. I must be missing something obvious here.

[Tarekith]

I believe these are multiple-sampled simplers on this case. Would be kind of dumb if you couldn't use choke groups with those. I must be missing something obvious here.

[longjohns]

there's got to be a bug going on here.

(btw I only see drum racks, not instrument racks???)

drag some other samples (chains) into those problematic parts of the rack, and you can hear them just fine. I even dragged other samples into the existing chains and those don't sound either.

my guess would be a bug having to do with dragging drum rack chains from the browser into other drum racks.

maybe I can test that theory...

[longjohns]

well I can't duplicate that.

but there does seem to be something weird going on with the chains you have in that rack. I hope I am not also losing my mind