Consolidate clip VS rendering audio

[Hermanus]

I worked on a track those last days and felt a bit astonished while I was consolidating some hard tweaked warped audio loops.

Some in complex pro mode were so cpu hungry I decided to consolidate for my own well in composing.

And It was clear to me that some consolidated clips were definitly not sounding the same as the original ones!
Not only for complex mode but also for beat with transients [again severly warped so cpu hungry]

Then I choosed to insert a track and rendering audio for any heavy clip in my set.
After all the renderings, I got straight copies with no cpu peak, and I got consolidated clips - but here no straight copies
[pro: it's a bit different, I can play with them and have fun]
[con: it's slowing down the flow in creating]

I think from now I'll always keep a track for rendering audio rather than consolidate clips everytime.

EDIT: I'm not ranting about it, just wanted to share and say to be careful when you have to consolidate

[the_antagonist]

a clip is just a raw sound. consolidation makes too raw sounds into one raw sound file.

so you still have a raw sound that has not been waprped by your complex mode yet.

if you render it the raw sound is recorded into a new clip with any fx you may have added. if you render it from complex you technicall end up with a new raw sound designed to be played at that tecmpo. you would want to use beats mode

the consolidated clip you have made will need to be played in complex mode to retain the sound you were after.

[longjohns]

false.

consolidating captures the output of the warping engine.

that's why it's important not to use complex as default mode, imo

if you have a clip in complex mode, and consolidate.. then you have captured those artifacts permanently... AND now you will apply complex artifacts AGAIN if it is your default. (because warp will be enabled on the new clip by default)

[the_antagonist]

ah i didnt know that. that might provide an oportunity to do summit weird

[abhicary]

false.

consolidating captures the output of the warping engine.

that's why it's important not to use complex as default mode, imo

if you have a clip in complex mode, and consolidate.. then you have captured those artifacts permanently... AND now you will apply complex artifacts AGAIN if it is your default. (because warp will be enabled on the new clip by default)

Yeah! You are right. Consolidating captures the output of the warping engine.

[the_antagonist]

iv never noticed. i only ever use beat and pitch. others are for last resort or for artist benifit.

[Hermanus]

iv never noticed. i only ever use beat and pitch. others are for last resort or for artist benifit.

Same here. the beat mode is so juicy with the new warping method and the transients. Same for repitch > just juicy

Thanks for your posts everyone

[the_antagonist]

with version 8 i find beats mode doesnt handle that good at large tempo differance

[alex.the.forge]

false.

consolidating captures the output of the warping engine.

that's why it's important not to use complex as default mode, imo

if you have a clip in complex mode, and consolidate.. then you have captured those artifacts permanently... AND now you will apply complex artifacts AGAIN if it is your default. (because warp will be enabled on the new clip by default)

should also add that is ONLY with the Complex modes as they are the only ones that are always timestretching, all the other modes shouldn't be working on a consolidated clip if the clip has the same Orig. Tempo as the project tempo