How often is Live 8 crashing on os x on your setups?

[leisuremuffin]

Can abes or anyone for that matter post any one single "basic" system w versions etc, that Live gets along with well?

If we have to debate about what "gets along with" or what "well" means,.... never mind.
Anyway, It had to rock on at least one system before it was blessed for release.

What are Live8 developers and programmers using in their personal setups? It's safe to say they have no problems, right?

Forget about what I have, I want to know what to use.

no problems here. mbp 2.93 ghz core duo. 4 gigs ram. osx 10.5.7

motu 828 at home.

apogee duet when i'm out.


various controllers:

mpc mpk49
peavey pc1600x
novation slzero


3rd party plugs i use regularly:
korg legacy analog
soundhack
psp vintage warmer
psp lexicon 84 and 42


and some others, but those are the ones i use the most.



seriously, no problems here. Crashed maybe 6 times total since i started with the very first release and believe me, i run that fucker a lot. Played a bunch of shows with it with no 3rd party plugs, and never had a problem in that situation.



A lot of cats like to complain about shit, but y'know what? Every piece of software ever made crashes every once in a while. Don't fuckin gbullshit me, kranky, you know god damn well that protools crashes every once in a while. I've seen it. Fuck, my MPC2oooxl crashed during a gig once. Live never has on me, and i've played a lot of gigs with it, maybe i'm just lucky.

so what's the problem? If you have a specific problem that you can reproduce with live, report it to the support guys.

honestly, i don't understand what all this horseshit and whining is about. Especially considering the fact that the support guys are telling us that some of the whiners haven't ever filed a report to support.


whatever.


.lm.

[knotkranky]

disclaimer: 2 large martinis.

i don't wanna be in trouble with you bro. I'm not the DH for all the bitchers here, but my Q is still reasonable and thanx for the setup info btw. But yer right, every once in a while a crash is fine, but i can't remember the last time PT crashed,.... really!. I've left it on for months at a time without a prob but who cares about them. No need to bring pt in it. I don't need abes to be those idiots. Although i will say PT 8 sucks right now and digidesign can eat a dick for all i care since they've gotten real loose too. They just nailed a bunch of us with a bunch of crap app$. Anyway, why play wack a mole with all of us when all we want is a few abes sanctioned setups.

Ok, my work style and philosophy is simple. I simply don't use anything that decides how i work. It has to flow with my 20+ years of dealing with programs and os's. If it can't be my bitch, i don't use it. I'm giving abes a little shit cuz they deserve it for all the bs since 5 and btw I started with 1. They've admitted mistakes but that doesn't negate how a company matures. It;s like the software's first day every version! Fuck!! There is no maturity in its progression at all and we're at 8 for cryin out loud. I love the design, the developers, the programmers, but some upper management dick-heads fucked it up and i bet there are plenty of ableton employees who would agree and are frustrated too. The Abes captains treat live like a marketed toy and not the fine bit of gear it can be. All they care about is their precious release schedule which appears to be more important than the program it's self. Soooo fuck em. It's hell i give in return and not very much I must say.

Yes, i'm a bitch ass snob, my bar is high but how can that be wrong? It's a good thing mate. Some very respectful forum members are telling me 8 isn't ready yet for us snobs, and i believe em. You maybe lucky alright, but there's still the rest of us and we ain't dummies. I have no choice since I do not beta software, or have more than a handful of trouble reports to give for every frickin version. I have to be patient and listen.

I can't think of another software company that makes it's customers work sooo hard to make it right, for whom?

[leisuremuffin]

would you care to share a specific problem with us?

i'm making music with this software everyday, and i'm not having any kind of problem that makes me want to rant like that. I'm not alone, either.


.lm.

[knotkranky]

would you care to share a specific problem with us?

i'm making music with this software everyday, and i'm not having any kind of problem that makes me want to rant like that. I'm not alone, either.


.lm.

Specific problems, naw, not yet. I will save my review for live 8 as i did promise a few cool dudes on this forum that i would go through 8 diligently and through the proper support channels. And even more importantly, I will wait until it has matured enough to even try, though the only way to do that is to listen to the cool blokes that have my similar gripes. I'm not going to compare problems and perceptions with you or anybody else for that matter. If you're concerned about anyone or a noob taking my rant seriously, just chalk me up to a whiny ranter with no balls. I'm cool with that.

But, my question to you, considering my level of patience, the limited test time available and the possible tsunami rant that follows, should I try 8 now or should I wait a little longer?

cheers mate

[lunabass]

kranky's request for an ableton "basic" (sanctioned) setup is a good one. might as well bring PT into it because that's where the idea comes from...

[3phase]

That's easy: we can't develop things for free, that's why ableton is a company and not an art project.
Obviously the Akai deal pays for including the controller but not for your personal feature request.


Cheers,
Dom

feature request? I think its rather a question of programming style to dont cause a mess in the file formats between 2 actual versions of live.

And as long Live 8 is unstable Live 7 stays actual.

But when you think the unsatbility of Live 8 is my personal problem because i dare to use hardware, then of cause the questions for new names for new file formats or a inbuild conversion routine is a personal feature request...

good luck with your arroganz, you know what comes usually after...

[3phase]

I just got an mail that my "support"case got close because they dont understand my setup and dont like it to be critizized...

Equals...

They dont know why theire program is crashing..and as long it is not crashing on its own there is no problem...


This all results in the conclusion that live 8 is not suitable for stage use...
And Ableton support is as useless than the telecom hotline

[dom]

I just got an mail that my "support"case got close because they dont understand my setup and dont like it to be critizized...

Just to set it straight and nobody gets a wrong picture here:

I personally closed your technical support request after trying to help you because you were not willing to provide the technical details we need and asked for nicely multiple times.
Instead you kept sending personal accusations and trying to start general discussions - much like in this thread.
I'm afraid this is not how troubleshooting works.

No grief, we're by no means resentful, this is our job.
As soon as you manage to send us a detailed request, free of personal accusations and emotional bursts, we're happy to work with you on your problems.

Cheers,
Dom

[leisuremuffin]

would you care to share a specific problem with us?

i'm making music with this software everyday, and i'm not having any kind of problem that makes me want to rant like that. I'm not alone, either.


.lm.

Specific problems, naw, not yet. I will save my review for live 8 as i did promise a few cool dudes on this forum that i would go through 8 diligently and through the proper support channels. And even more importantly, I will wait until it has matured enough to even try, though the only way to do that is to listen to the cool blokes that have my similar gripes. I'm not going to compare problems and perceptions with you or anybody else for that matter. If you're concerned about anyone or a noob taking my rant seriously, just chalk me up to a whiny ranter with no balls. I'm cool with that.

But, my question to you, considering my level of patience, the limited test time available and the possible tsunami rant that follows, should I try 8 now or should I wait a little longer?

cheers mate

So you haven't used 8 yet, haven't experienced a specific problem, and you're complaining about it? Yes, go ahead and try it. It's been fine for me since the release and has gotten better with each update. I don't *think* i've had a crash with 8.04. And since it's never crashed for me on stage, i'm sure it'll run just fine for you if you don't use 3rd party plugs.





.lm.

[3phase]

and dont forget ... dont use other software that never causes problems in 8 years in the background

[knotkranky]

would you care to share a specific problem with us?

i'm making music with this software everyday, and i'm not having any kind of problem that makes me want to rant like that. I'm not alone, either.


.lm.

Specific problems, naw, not yet. I will save my review for live 8 as i did promise a few cool dudes on this forum that i would go through 8 diligently and through the proper support channels. And even more importantly, I will wait until it has matured enough to even try, though the only way to do that is to listen to the cool blokes that have my similar gripes. I'm not going to compare problems and perceptions with you or anybody else for that matter. If you're concerned about anyone or a noob taking my rant seriously, just chalk me up to a whiny ranter with no balls. I'm cool with that.

But, my question to you, considering my level of patience, the limited test time available and the possible tsunami rant that follows, should I try 8 now or should I wait a little longer?

cheers mate

So you haven't used 8 yet, haven't experienced a specific problem, and you're complaining about it? Yes, go ahead and try it. It's been fine for me since the release and has gotten better with each update. I don't *think* i've had a crash with 8.04. And since it's never crashed for me on stage, i'm sure it'll run just fine for you if you don't use 3rd party plugs.





.lm.

@3phase - I hear ya dude but there is no reason to be giving ableton support and dom a hard time my friend. I like dom and I would converse with him more if he wasn't in the tenuous positions of moderating and support while i take jabs at ableton brass. But these are cool people so lets not give them grief and ya can't blame them for being efficient with their criteria for helping a user. They're spot on.


@lm - No, I haven't used 8 yet and I don't plan to until a few users that I trust are sufficiently satisfied or until Live gets to 8.0.9 I suppose. This forum is a wonderful place to understand what's going on with this software "IF" you know where to look and where "not" to look. And i will agree that many with problems are having their own, as there are lots of setup errors indeed. But regardless, I'm looking for this software to be far from just fine or to not crash. The bar needs to be a little higher than that and the program needs to perform very well since abes is eating from the daw tree and running with stiff competition. If 8 can't use third party plugins, 8 is certainly not ready or even a daw. But, I am looking very very forward to it. It's hard to own this software, but parts of it are so brilliant that I use it for only those limited bits and that can make it frustrating for this fan who wants to stretch it out and flow.

[leisuremuffin]

whatever.

i use 3rd party plug ins and i don't have any serious problems.


Also, i like to make music with the best tool available rather than philosophizing about some non-existent state of perfection that that tool should achieve.

trust me, you write more shit by doing that.

but go ahead and carry on bullshitting, i won't stop you, i'll just comment occasionally.





.lm.

[leisuremuffin]

also, kk, i love how you think you're sticking it to the man when you talk shit about the "ableton brass." I personally can't think of another major music software company that's owned and run by actual musicians and that are so accessible and responsive to their user base.



.lm.

[knotkranky]

whatever.

i use 3rd party plug ins and i don't have any serious problems.


Also, i like to make music with the best tool available rather than philosophizing about some non-existent state of perfection that that tool should achieve.

trust me, you write more shit by doing that.

but go ahead and carry on bullshitting, i won't stop you, i'll just comment occasionally.





.lm.

Of course bro, I don't think i'm making any headway either. Anyway, you did say; as long as you don't use thrid party plugs. But maybe it came out wrong so whatever. But i'm not looking for perfection, i'm simply looking to not be interrupted and to not fiddle around a disproportionate amount of time reporting and testing. No way. Abes has it really good with it's customer base in that regard. Really good. So I really don't see where I'm hurting anything with my view/shit. At least i'm not starting my own threads about it anymore, lol. In fact, a ground swell and pointed revolt would do more good me thinks. But if it ain't there, it ain't there and nothing to worry about. Fool on the hill and all that. Fine.

also, kk, i love how you think you're sticking it to the man when you talk shit about the "ableton brass." I personally can't think of another major music software company that's owned and run by actual musicians and that are so accessible and responsive to their user base.

Abes is not run by actual musicians dude, Abes is run fiscally by investors and bankers which came into major play i'm guessing not long before v5. They most likely have a five year business marketing plan than precedes just about everything else and whomever had there hands on the wheel before, barely has a pinky on it now. I only wish! Henke was running the show. He should be.

For me, the software is bigger and more important than the company.

[leisuremuffin]

Nobody is asking you to fiddle or report any more than you have to with any piece of software. I've never had to interact with support because i've never had a problem that seriously interrupted my workflow. And all of the problems i have encountered have always been ironed out at some point. You show me a piece of software that doesn't have bugs at some point and i'll eat dogshit and smile. You're going to read people complaining about bugs in the forums of every software company. go ahead, open up the pro tools forum and see if there isn't a thread about a bug in the first page.



but whatever, i guess you have information about how horrible live 8 is from those super secret sources that you trust. As well as intimate knowledge of the make up of ableton's owners and who decides the direction of the software's development. What kind of information are you privy to that i'm not? Of course it's a business, but i don't buy that the software is somehow suffering because some shadowy and unscrupulous businessmen are intentionally releasing a shitty product to meet marketing deadlines. The CEO, Gerhard, who was a musical partner of Robert's in monolake, sure seems to be interested and directly involved in the direction the software takes. But *you* know who's really running the show, right?


my advice to anyone that is reading this thread and want to know if live 8 is a usable piece of software ----> download the fully functional demo and see if it works or not on your system. Doesn't work? don't buy it.





.lm.