an interesting observation...

RePeter · Post by **RePeter** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:53 pm

has anyone else noticed its only other djs who say that using live is "cheating"
everyone else is "wow"

horselesspaul · Post by **horselesspaul** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:37 pm

And playing other people's music and developing you own personality cult off it isn't cheating?

Macrostructure · Post by **Macrostructure** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:01 pm

And playing other people's music and developing you own personality cult off it isn't cheating?

Er...a little harsh surely...most DJs I know do it because they like to present good quality music in a pleasing sequence to an appreciative audience. There is some skill and artistry even in the humble act of selecting a sequence of tunes and stitching them together

And it's fun...

I take it you have never done any DJing?

ms

RePeter · Post by **RePeter** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:32 pm

i've been dj'ing for about 8 years now in the south of england. been playing with live for about 2 years and have recently been using it in clubs.
my point is that the only negative comments so far have come from other dj's who consider me to be cheating.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:35 pm

Just so non-Britishers know:
Brighton, where horselesspaul is from, has a population which is 92% DJ's
, that's a fact!
Hard to remain objective in such situations I suspect

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:54 pm

meh..... cheating. Next time politely apologize and ask them to show you exactly which page it was on the rule book that said you must only play records. Afterall, I always thought a dj's job was to play music and make people dance and have a good time.

Paul is just mad because his horse left him. Don't mind him. He is one of those "bitter musicians" who gets mad everytime he sees a crowd of people dancing to a dj because he feels something has been stolen from him.

If I had spent 15 years learning to play bass, couldn't get a proper gig, and then heard that Paul Oakenfolds technics were hanging in the hard rock along side Jimi's guitar, well I would probably be a little bitter myself. Unless I understood more clearly what a Dj is.

Quite frankly there are some kids in the Dj scene who are diserving of such scorn. They are probably the exact same kids who are saying Djing with a laptop is cheating.

RePeter · Post by **RePeter** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:08 pm

a friend of mine said the other day...
if you dont like laptops and samplers, chuck 'em away and go back to electric guitars, then chuck them away to.... too much nasty distortion, and pick up a lute..... and i bet that caused some controvesy when it appeared so you can smash it up like the guitar and sampler...... and stretch a bit of skin aver a wooden frame, but those drums were so noisy so get you wooly mamouth to trample it and your left with just humble, bog standard human voice.

jahnlay · Post by **jahnlay** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:28 pm

No band or artist would have ever had a hit if it weren't for dj's, so think about what you say, idiot

Macrostructure · Post by **Macrostructure** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:39 pm

jahnlay wrote:No band or artist would have ever had a hit if it weren't for dj's, so think about what you say, idiot

That's the shout, right there

LiveLong · Post by **LiveLong** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:58 pm

THAT'S WHAT DJ'S DO, DONT THEY? THEY MIX RECORDS.

These are stupid narrow minded asshols

A DJ's job description has nothing to do with the format. Vinyl is the common as it was the standart music playback format in the early 70's.
This was when the first nightclub DJ's showed up in New York. These pioneers did not have pitch control, or stereo mixers. They were doing amazing cuts and some were beatmixing!! They were using every bit of technology they had to get better shit pumping out of the speakers.

So are software dj's today.

Beatmatching is a tool, not a goal. If these "DJ's" are chalenged to think that what they have to do on stage is match the beats of what they play... It is common to do it manualy, as there was no other way. The same way some vinyl users are above the others, so some software users will be , Doing stuff that others can not.

This has nothing with the "what is better" question, each format has +&-, And keep out the ones who do play with software to make the same thing with less effort. these are no better.

Are painkillers a cheat??

SimonPHC · Post by **SimonPHC** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:08 pm

New technological options always have 'early adopters', you can't blame people for being so conservative about it. In the end they'll buy it, jut like mobile phones

its called Future Shock

Zakari Luk · Post by **Zakari Luk** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:26 pm

i am a musician/composer. i respect what a d.j.s role is in music. d.j.-ing is an artform of its own, i respect that.

however, the one playing the records should never get more credit or equal credit than the one that made the records.

A DJ's job description has nothing to do with the format. Vinyl is the common as it was the standart music playback format in the early 70's.

yes, but on the radio. when people went out for music it was to see musicians playing in a band.

No band or artist would have ever had a hit if it weren't for dj's, so think about what you say, idiot

what d.j. would have a hit to play if it wasnt for bands and artists?

two of the greatest bands ever, pink floyd and led zeppelin, were making names for themselves without the help of any d.j.'s, and they did that by hard work and dedication to their art, it wasn't until after they had made their own success that the "too cool for you" radio d.j.'s started playing their records in heavy rotation. what about a group like phish, that never gets played on the radio, yet have legions of fans. so think about that. a real band or artist does NOT NEED you, like your ego wants to believe, you know who DOES NEED you? teen pop idols, corperate record labels that want to push watered down rock and hip hop, and the talented composers that do not perform.

i embrace the role of the d.j. but i aslo believe that things should be in their proper place, the superstar d.j. thing is totally out of place. there are d.j.'s that were/are so damn good that they became pioneers themselves, francis k and danny tenaglia come to mind.

i think that musician snobbery that totally discredits d.j.'s, comes from a very closed minded and that they live in the dark ages, and most of their music sucks anyway imo.

like i said, i respect d.j.'s and the role that they play in music, but i don't respect the d.j. snobbery mentality anymore than i respect musician snobbery. so to put it in simplistic terms, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:41 pm

Zakari Luk wrote:i am a musician/composer. i respect what a d.j.s role is in music. d.j.-ing is an artform of its own, i respect that.

however, the one playing the records should never get more credit or equal credit than the one that made the records.

It is not always the dj's fault. There are a lot of people that just don't know whats going on. They hear these wonderful sounds coming from the speakers and they see some kid up in the booth bouncing around and tweaking eq's and they give all credit to that kid in the booth.

Sometimes, when I dj, someone will say "I like yor music." I am always very quick to let them know that it is not my music, other people where kind enough to make it for us, I am just playing it for them.

A Dj should never take more or equal credit from the artists who make the tracks. Credit and props must always be given to the artists.

Zakari Luk wrote: like i said, i respect d.j.'s and the role that they play in music, but i don't respect the d.j. snobbery mentality anymore than i respect musician snobbery. so to put it in simplistic terms, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Very well put.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:45 pm

i stopped mixing vinyl as to help cut our dependency on environmental unfriendly fossil fuels, so nyahhh!

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:49 pm

Zakari Luk wrote:i am a musician/composer. i respect what a d.j.s role is in music. d.j.-ing is an artform of its own, i respect that.

however, the one playing the records should never get more credit or equal credit than the one that made the records.

2 dj's can play the same material and one can play it better..
..the records are just a medium...most techno tunes are made to be mixed your statement falls into the "cheating" comment catagory really

should the juggler give all the credit to the ball manufacturer? If he didn't have balls how could he juggle them?

I think a (club)DJ that plays records but doesn't even beat mix is cheating

it is all about inovation...if your just useing your laptop to just choose and play tracks...and not being creative then you are djing in a whole differnt league..but still dj'n

if you are being inovative and playing things in a manner that uses you laptops/softwares potential then your rockin' out!

but into a whole other shell what about playing all origonal material with live?