Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by sherman » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:09 am

starving student wrote:it was a problem the day it stopped being an effect and turned into a style.
meh!
It was a problem the day effects turned into a style.

I don't get it, what happened to letting the original songs speak for themselves. I guess people get caught up thinking if they aren't moving a fader or tweaking a knob, they aren't DJing.

One of my favourite parts of a set is when I get things gelling nicely, stand back for a few seconds and actually take in what I've created. If it can't sound good without you touching anything for 20 seconds, maybe it just doesn't sound that good...
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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by Tone Deft » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:16 am

Starving Student posted that and then posts that it shouldn't be overhauled??

Student, explain yourself.
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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by gabrielsaint » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:45 am

Thanks for posting the vid. I'm just having fun.

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by outershpongolia » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:11 am

sherman wrote:
starving student wrote:it was a problem the day it stopped being an effect and turned into a style.
meh!
It was a problem the day effects turned into a style.

I don't get it, what happened to letting the original songs speak for themselves. I guess people get caught up thinking if they aren't moving a fader or tweaking a knob, they aren't DJing.

One of my favourite parts of a set is when I get things gelling nicely, stand back for a few seconds and actually take in what I've created. If it can't sound good without you touching anything for 20 seconds, maybe it just doesn't sound that good...
Great way to look at it, I definitely can understand where you take that from.
My fascination with effects is just because they sound so damn fun sometimes, I'm not so great with music but I try not to be discouraged by that (i'm a drummer turned "synth player"?), I like making things sound like what I would want to hear and sometimes it just needs the effects. May not be what anyone else want's to hear.

But yeah, it is satisfying to make something very minimal and be happy with what you've created by yourself. Gellin' for sure.

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by housemusiclover » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:24 am

aqua_tek wrote:Anyways what REALLY interests me about this video is... what kind of mod is that on the dude's APC? Monomulator?
+1 :!: :?:

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by macmurphy » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:23 am

Tone Deft wrote:I'll put Beat Repeat on a track, tweak with it and go 'no, not that sound...' and delete it.

the Abes should overhaul it, maybe a dBlue Glitch type of device, the Mac kids can finally join that fun. it would give people a pseudo-turntable effect too.
Ha! Yes, exactly what i've done the handful of times i've used Beat Repeat. If i want to get glitchy i'd rather do it by hand - you get much more control that way.

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by Poster » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:34 am

Tone Deft wrote:
starving student wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:I'll put Beat Repeat on a track, tweak with it and go 'no, not that sound...' and delete it.

the Abes should overhaul it, maybe a dBlue Glitch type of device, the Mac kids can finally join that fun. it would give people a pseudo-turntable effect too.
no
please do explain, I'd love to hear your opinion on Beat Repeat. have you ever actually used it?
BR is a tad boring compared to the competition yes but racked up it can do nice things..
its basic features make it too static, though the Auto Variation parameter can bring some life to it..

I think that essentially BR was designed to interact with, not just to drop it on a track and have instant audio mangle mayhem like DBlue..

one thing that is quite unique is you can set the repeats to Gate mode.. audio will only pass when repeat is triggered..
I use this alot on a send.. drop a BR on a return track, set it to Gate mode, put an audio effect(s) in front of the BR..
other ways to do this is to rack up some BR's, all with different Interval, Grid and Offset settings, all with different audio effects..
not the same as Dblue but really fun to play around with..

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by pepezabala » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:37 am

you can do wonderful stuff assigning beat repeat and echoes to a wiimote.

not sure if it is so wonderful to listen to, though. :mrgreen:

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by ikeaboy » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:01 am

Rave wrote:I say bring back the djm 600 flange sound.
Oh yes, so much better than proper beat matching.

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by gabrielsaint » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:50 pm

A lot of it is slice to midi reconstructions and not beat repeat. No monomulator, just creative mapping and NativeKontrol.

Ever heard of Aphex Twin, Squarepusher or Prefuse 73? They started my infatuation of the "beat repeat" or "loop roll" and "glitch" sound.

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by gabrielsaint » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:57 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym-CeUw9cHk

just one example of many. I mean the dudes stuff is okay (not for me but it's pretty good for what it is) but I'm so tired of hearing people beat repeat stuff up every 8 bars.

sorry, just ranting..


I went back and listened to your songs so I could come dawg you about it... but I liked them! Good sounds, could use a bit more variation/beat repeat :wink: but, that just IMO. Good stuff.

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by starving student » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:20 am

Tone Deft wrote:Starving Student posted that and then posts that it shouldn't be overhauled??

Student, explain yourself.
what are you talking about, posted what?

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by cacti » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:21 am

beat repeat is cool but soooo played out

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by jsg4z » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:31 am

cacti wrote:beat repeat is cool but soooo played out
can some explain why beat repeat sounds cool? i put some on my tunze and it didnt really work for me. maybe i picked the wrong variation?

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Re: Rant: too much freakin beat repeat in the world!

Post by aqua_tek » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:39 am

It won't sound good by just dropping it onto a track... much like any other effect plugin.

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