I use FANTOM-S/61 workstation + notebook + 1in/1out interface
How can I map intruments from my synth into LIVE4 so I can hear original keyboard sounds ???
Maping Instruments
Maping Instruments
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As far as MIDI I a newbie!
I've red manual and I would say that part of it is like reading chinise!
Mapping relative instruments ? what's that ? I really don't get all this part, and I think there sould be some other extra stuff (docs) explaining how this works. I'm a computer specialist, and playing music and keyboards just for fun. I'm trying to get involved into using and creating music using PC but this is frustrating because there is so much to learn about this stuff that it kills creativity, and instead spending time creating sounds and music I have to spend time learning things. I think many of you are MIDI geeks and there are also beginers. For the beginers there should be something easy to learn - like FOR DUMIES book, so we all can catch up quick what is going on. For the big part I can understand how MIDI works, but the transmiting diferent type of information, changing patches, banks, sounds, instruments, kits etc. is magic for me.
For now I'd like to just be able to connect my FANTOM-S keyboard, get the MIDI tracks recorded preserving their original sounds, effects etc. and be able to do minor corrections on my PC (i.e moving notes, or deleting unneded notes, perhaps changing velocity or patches). Not to much! When I opened LIVE4 first time it looked like this is the closest to what I'm loking for, butr in order to find out some more we all need like step by step tutorial. I went through the tutorials and they are great! I'm just missing the part that will teach me to work with external instrument (preserving its sounds). I just bought E-MU XL7 command station, was happy, but now I'm wondering if this wouldn't be to overwhelming.
Anyway - I thank you all for help and advice.
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finally - if anyone can point me to the right direction as to: how would I map sound and instruments from my keyboard into LIVE4 and the how to play prerecorded session from LIVE4 while playing live - I would greatly appreciate.
I've red manual and I would say that part of it is like reading chinise!
Mapping relative instruments ? what's that ? I really don't get all this part, and I think there sould be some other extra stuff (docs) explaining how this works. I'm a computer specialist, and playing music and keyboards just for fun. I'm trying to get involved into using and creating music using PC but this is frustrating because there is so much to learn about this stuff that it kills creativity, and instead spending time creating sounds and music I have to spend time learning things. I think many of you are MIDI geeks and there are also beginers. For the beginers there should be something easy to learn - like FOR DUMIES book, so we all can catch up quick what is going on. For the big part I can understand how MIDI works, but the transmiting diferent type of information, changing patches, banks, sounds, instruments, kits etc. is magic for me.
For now I'd like to just be able to connect my FANTOM-S keyboard, get the MIDI tracks recorded preserving their original sounds, effects etc. and be able to do minor corrections on my PC (i.e moving notes, or deleting unneded notes, perhaps changing velocity or patches). Not to much! When I opened LIVE4 first time it looked like this is the closest to what I'm loking for, butr in order to find out some more we all need like step by step tutorial. I went through the tutorials and they are great! I'm just missing the part that will teach me to work with external instrument (preserving its sounds). I just bought E-MU XL7 command station, was happy, but now I'm wondering if this wouldn't be to overwhelming.
Anyway - I thank you all for help and advice.
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finally - if anyone can point me to the right direction as to: how would I map sound and instruments from my keyboard into LIVE4 and the how to play prerecorded session from LIVE4 while playing live - I would greatly appreciate.
Happines is the state of the mind, so you don't have to be rich to be happy
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Lo-Fi Massahkah
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Well there might be a point in reading up on MIDI then. You can't really expect Ableton to provide all the information, can you? 
How about "Basic MIDI" by Paul White? His books are usually really easily read - and I'm not even having english as my native language.
The Live manual is actually pretty well written. You should have seen a few bad manuals if you're a computer specialist.
Good luck with all that!
How about "Basic MIDI" by Paul White? His books are usually really easily read - and I'm not even having english as my native language.
The Live manual is actually pretty well written. You should have seen a few bad manuals if you're a computer specialist.
Good luck with all that!
Ok
Install the driver for the midi interface, install Live.
Connect interface, Phantom, audio etc, etc
Open Live, look in the preferences if the interface is there. Close it
Click on midi track select as output whateveritsname interface.
activate recording on the track
click record and play on the transport.
Play your instrument
stop
Click play, can you hear see anything ?
Click on the track, the image of what you just recorded
You should see some colorfull squares and other images
move them, draw them, delete whatever you may like
Spend some time reading manuals - Live, Phantom etc etc
Have fun
Install the driver for the midi interface, install Live.
Connect interface, Phantom, audio etc, etc
Open Live, look in the preferences if the interface is there. Close it
Click on midi track select as output whateveritsname interface.
activate recording on the track
click record and play on the transport.
Play your instrument
stop
Click play, can you hear see anything ?
Click on the track, the image of what you just recorded
You should see some colorfull squares and other images
move them, draw them, delete whatever you may like
Spend some time reading manuals - Live, Phantom etc etc
Have fun
Thanks for your effort, but I have no problem with hearing, recording the music from synth in LIVE4. The problem is that I record data, messages and notes, but can't get information about the patch actualy being played.
LIVE replaces whatever sound comes from the keyboard with ist own internal sounds - this is the only problem. For example I could have strings set on the keyboard and when I connect my headphones to my notebook I can hear piano instead !
How can I fix this ?
LIVE replaces whatever sound comes from the keyboard with ist own internal sounds - this is the only problem. For example I could have strings set on the keyboard and when I connect my headphones to my notebook I can hear piano instead !
How can I fix this ?
Happines is the state of the mind, so you don't have to be rich to be happy
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Harris.Andrew
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Heh, I'm trying to take "MIDI geek" as a compliment
Make sure you are transmitting MIDI on the same channel as the patch you want to hear.
Live has no internal sounds.
Live does very little in terms of managing patches on external hardware - I wouldn't know for sure, I don't use any.
As for technical issues killing creativity - welcome to electronic music It's a gift and a curse!
Make sure you are transmitting MIDI on the same channel as the patch you want to hear.
Live has no internal sounds.
Live does very little in terms of managing patches on external hardware - I wouldn't know for sure, I don't use any.
As for technical issues killing creativity - welcome to electronic music
It's a gift and a curse!Please read first carefully what I write, I spent my time trying to help you but if you dont read then it is your problem.
rikhyray wrote:Ok
Install the driver for the midi interface, install Live.
Connect interface, Phantom, audio etc, etc
Open Live, look in the preferences if the interface is there. Close it
Click on midi track select as output whateveritsname interface.
activate recording on the track
click record and play on the transport.
Play your instrument
stop
Click play, can you hear see anything ?
Click on the track, the image of what you just recorded
You should see some colorfull squares and other images
move them, draw them, delete whatever you may like
Spend some time reading manuals - Live, Phantom etc etc
Have fun
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Lo-Fi Massahkah
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Thank you all fortha patients, so far unfortunately I'm still in the same place. I can record sound from my keyboard but like said before con't get instrument sounds. If I set my keyboard sound for STRINGS for instance, when I play and record I hear piano. This is still the smae problem. I did exactly what I was told, I'm able to record notes though MIDI but the sounds are diferent from what is my keyboard playing.
Happines is the state of the mind, so you don't have to be rich to be happy
I've set all my receive MIDI switches OFF. It didn'thelp.
As far as VST plugins - I don't know what do you mean. As I understand installing VST plugin will just give me another sounds but not the original ones from Roland keyboard (?)
As far as VST plugins - I don't know what do you mean. As I understand installing VST plugin will just give me another sounds but not the original ones from Roland keyboard (?)
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Winterpark
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ok....
let me explain midi a bit.
midi information is like the rolls of one of those old pianola player pianos.... it is just telling the instrument what notes to play.
this is why you are hearing the piano sound.
you have to make sure that you have the correct output setting for your midi device, and on the right channel.
you can do two things here.
1st you could as Spacerboy said, use a VSTi... which is like a virtual instrument in your computer, and output your midi information INTO that...
2nd (and probably more in line with what you wan to do...) you should set up the midi output channel of live to send out of your midi interface, back into the Roland keyboard.
this will then play whatever "sound" you have loaded up on whichever midi channel you have set it up for.
I am assuming that it is a multi-timbral synth, which is capable of playing 16 midi channels at once, so.... for starters... send it only to midi channel one...
the sound you have dialled up on you keyboard for midi channel one will be played by the midi sequence you have programmed coming out of live.
does that help?
you may need to read the manual of your roland keyboard too.
let me explain midi a bit.
midi information is like the rolls of one of those old pianola player pianos.... it is just telling the instrument what notes to play.
this is why you are hearing the piano sound.
you have to make sure that you have the correct output setting for your midi device, and on the right channel.
you can do two things here.
1st you could as Spacerboy said, use a VSTi... which is like a virtual instrument in your computer, and output your midi information INTO that...
2nd (and probably more in line with what you wan to do...) you should set up the midi output channel of live to send out of your midi interface, back into the Roland keyboard.
this will then play whatever "sound" you have loaded up on whichever midi channel you have set it up for.
I am assuming that it is a multi-timbral synth, which is capable of playing 16 midi channels at once, so.... for starters... send it only to midi channel one...
the sound you have dialled up on you keyboard for midi channel one will be played by the midi sequence you have programmed coming out of live.
does that help?
you may need to read the manual of your roland keyboard too.
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