Richie Hawtin's at it again

[mike_o]

as a producer I have always had a grudge against DJ's who cover up label or refuse to name the tracks they played, it's just stinks of cheap DJ arrogance, sad really.

any DJ who makes a living playing music created by others and wont credit or list the real artists involved will almost always die off though, I remember in the early and mid 90's a lot of SF bay area DJ's in the rave scene would never disclose their track lists, but DJ Dan, Simon, Tony, Jeno, Garth, Dutch, Simply Jeff, Donald Glaude and many others were cool as hell and would always put a rack list in their mix tapes or just tell you who it was if you asked, these guys all got bigger and better and far more fame, money & love from the crowd/scene than any of the pricks who covered up their labels and would refuse to name tracks.

why?

because the fans/listeners dont care what the DJ thinks about himself as an elitist DJ, they only care about the name of the records that were played, that why they always ask about the records and usually not about the DJ himself.

a real serious aspiring DJ's best bet is to become known to the fans as they guy who will always let you in on the hot tracks, this is how you really EARN love and respect as a DJ, by treating the listener as a friend and music lover and not someone whos just not cool enough to know your tracklist.

DJ Dan and the others mentioned would always send me on a shopping trip the day after a party, I would look forward to hearing them more than anyone else because of this very reason, so many DJ's with potential kill their chances creating a bad vibe with their listeners that way.

+1 for Hawtin, even though I dont listen to him.

[morganpage2]

I totally agree w/ you.

In fact, I'm planning on taking it one step further and giving people the song for free, in real time, at the show. just working out the technical quirks

- M

as a producer I have always had a grudge against DJ's who cover up label or refuse to name the tracks they played, it's just stinks of cheap DJ arrogance, sad really.

any DJ who makes a living playing music created by others and wont credit or list the real artists involved will almost always die off though, I remember in the early and mid 90's a lot of SF bay area DJ's in the rave scene would never disclose their track lists, but DJ Dan, Simon, Tony, Jeno, Garth, Dutch, Simply Jeff, Donald Glaude and many others were cool as hell and would always put a rack list in their mix tapes or just tell you who it was if you asked, these guys all got bigger and better and far more fame, money & love from the crowd/scene than any of the pricks who covered up their labels and would refuse to name tracks.

why?

because the fans/listeners dont care what the DJ thinks about himself as an elitist DJ, they only care about the name of the records that were played, that why they always ask about the records and usually not about the DJ himself.

a real serious aspiring DJ's best bet is to become known to the fans as they guy who will always let you in on the hot tracks, this is how you really EARN love and respect as a DJ, by treating the listener as a friend and music lover and not someone whos just not cool enough to know your tracklist.

DJ Dan and the others mentioned would always send me on a shopping trip the day after a party, I would look forward to hearing them more than anyone else because of this very reason, so many DJ's with potential kill their chances creating a bad vibe with their listeners that way.

+1 for Hawtin, even though I dont listen to him.

[Nick Shepherd]

i don't really understand how this is exciting in times when shoutcast & mp3 tag live delivery is ancient off-the-shelf technology.

is this for people to check the playing record on their phones while being at his gig?

no trolling intended. ...really don't get the point of use.

well, actually many of the m_nus "features" they announce are quite gimmicky and not necessarily "useful", the whole cube concept wasnt really that mindblowing aswell...

but, Hawtin likes to integrate as much "new" (debatable) technology into his performances as possible, i think its cool and some people might be enjoying it, he certainly does - in the end its the overall performance that people value the most - and i have to say that i enjoyed every single show from richie i have been to

[the_antagonist]

[quote="morganpage2"]I totally agree w/ you.

In fact, I'm planning on taking it one step further and giving people the song for free, in real time, at the show. just working out the technical quirks

- M
[quote]


yes good.

i like that. keep the forum posted. id do that also. our own tracks obviously.

[silveriofunk]

i like the idea...

not sure if i ever cared that much about knowing all the tracks the dj was playing really, but hey...

[stjohn]

richie needs a hug :

http://www.plastikman.com/survey09/

[the_antagonist]

i love future tec and am all for 5.1 surroundsound dj sets however using a survey to determin your set list. is weird.


clubbers are people too

[Nick Shepherd]

clubbers are people too

what a generalized statement

[mike_o]

I totally agree w/ you.

In fact, I'm planning on taking it one step further and giving people the song for free, in real time, at the show. just working out the technical quirks

- M

as a producer I have always had a grudge against DJ's who cover up label or refuse to name the tracks they played, it's just stinks of cheap DJ arrogance, sad really.

any DJ who makes a living playing music created by others and wont credit or list the real artists involved will almost always die off though, I remember in the early and mid 90's a lot of SF bay area DJ's in the rave scene would never disclose their track lists, but DJ Dan, Simon, Tony, Jeno, Garth, Dutch, Simply Jeff, Donald Glaude and many others were cool as hell and would always put a rack list in their mix tapes or just tell you who it was if you asked, these guys all got bigger and better and far more fame, money & love from the crowd/scene than any of the pricks who covered up their labels and would refuse to name tracks.

why?

because the fans/listeners dont care what the DJ thinks about himself as an elitist DJ, they only care about the name of the records that were played, that why they always ask about the records and usually not about the DJ himself.

a real serious aspiring DJ's best bet is to become known to the fans as they guy who will always let you in on the hot tracks, this is how you really EARN love and respect as a DJ, by treating the listener as a friend and music lover and not someone whos just not cool enough to know your tracklist.

DJ Dan and the others mentioned would always send me on a shopping trip the day after a party, I would look forward to hearing them more than anyone else because of this very reason, so many DJ's with potential kill their chances creating a bad vibe with their listeners that way.

+1 for Hawtin, even though I dont listen to him.

I am looking into setting up an email client that I can use to send out my complete set at the end of the night, when I play I re-mash all my songs into a mix set, so giving out songs individually would not be the same thing as I dont play them live like they are on the album, each night is unique, so giving the entire remix performance set as a whole seemed like the best thing to do.

just have people sign up on the email list for a copy of that nights set to be emailed to them, trying to find the songs played can be a hassle in itself, but how often do you get the complete set from the show you went to, how often would you want that exact set if possible?

keep me posted on how this goes for you.

and love the longest road dude, good shit, later.

[8O]

Just installed the app and it works very nicely...

http://m-nus.com/Twitter_DJ/

...it's a nice little novelty, but dunno if it'll ever actually be useful to me, especially as I have hardly any followers on Twitter, but hey, it's free and it works...

[the_antagonist]

when will abbleton incorporate this.

drum loop 12
bass ap C major 7
dave clarke - the wiggle
hi hat super phaze loop

what a set list!

[Slightlydelic]

dubspot have a video with ritchie talking about the twitter thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytbe_Xoj_Wo

sounds cool.

[hurlingdervish]

its so people who just stood around talking about what song the DJ is playing now have NO excuse not to dance.

[SubFunk]

when will abbleton incorporate this.

drum loop 12
bass ap C major 7
dave clarke - the wiggle
hi hat super phaze loop

what a set list!

LOL

[SubFunk]

as a producer I have always had a grudge against DJ's who cover up label or refuse to name the tracks they played, it's just stinks of cheap DJ arrogance, sad really.

any DJ who makes a living playing music created by others and wont credit or list the real artists involved will almost always die off though, I remember in the early and mid 90's a lot of SF bay area DJ's in the rave scene would never disclose their track lists, but DJ Dan, Simon, Tony, Jeno, Garth, Dutch, Simply Jeff, Donald Glaude and many others were cool as hell and would always put a rack list in their mix tapes or just tell you who it was if you asked, these guys all got bigger and better and far more fame, money & love from the crowd/scene than any of the pricks who covered up their labels and would refuse to name tracks.

why?

hmmm... i agree and disagree... the problem is that the art of DJ-ing evolved a lot, especially since ableton, traktor, etc... (well also before with really skilled people, but it sadly died nearly out)

it's a very general assumption that DJs who are not 'revealing' there set list are arrogant assholes or pricks...

i for example hardly do that either... 2 reasons, i usually simply can't remember all track attributes... and secondly my way of playing does in most cases not leave much of the original track... it is a unique experience about the set and the manipulation, mixing, layering songs, etc.
when i DJ i never see a single track as an item... it's a bout the set, not the tracks i also don't consider them as songs to start of, they are tracks, modules if you which to create something different... i never analyze a DJ set and 'dismantle' it into song...

but that said it obviously is a difference of how you play... if you are a radio style DJ and just add songs with 4 bars to the next one (which is the majority of DJs worldwide our days... skills are lost) then i agree with you.

it's just there is a real skillful art form called DJ-ing... that is not about the 'single element'

and those who have still those skills are not necessary arrogant.

and to add, i am a producer, too
and most if not all producers i know, including myself... are making tracks for DJs not tunes for the radio...
if you are a radio track producer i can understand... that you are upset... a 'track producer' makes an element to be worked into something greater...

but maybe i am to old and oldskool, i think in terms before it all got pear shaped and real DJ skills went down the drain for the masses.