An apple fanboys tale of woe [long rant and OT]

[d-track]

hmm-hmmm.... this one will be long:)

i havbe been using pcs (desk+lap) for everything. and i do everythin with pcs. video editing, software dev, mixing, music making, installations,gaming etc etc...

and i have to say i am fucking bored of pc problems (almost all of them related to any windows version.., not really the hw).

so i decided ill throw all them to trash can and just get a macbook pro for everything.
i knew the hype is too high and macs also have problems but i still believed it reduces the suffer...and save time and energy goes to sort the problems out.

but at one point i said no way.
allof my frieds who have hyped their apple products gets even and even more disappointed. hdd fails, display fails, annyoing OS bugs, even freezes (which usually was the trademark of microsoft products and pcs) etc etc.
and some told me this: spending 3x the money for a thing which is the same or worse than a windows based pc is a mistakeand they are not proud of it. and they dont start whining around apple is crap when they realized they are consumer stupids. so fanboys spreads the hype along...

at the university we use imacs and my personal experience is about the same.
so i am in a dilemma, but now more on the stay with pc side...

i am sorry for hearing such stories and i never had one like this in the past 20 years i use pcs.
but my opinion is:
dfinitely the lesson is not that you should pay even more for an already high priced and hyped product just for an extended warranty. the main problem for me is not that the service will cost less or more but that the product are not as responsible as advertised... so the big question is...why should i pay 3x more for a stupid "i am artist" statement illuminating white apple logo..?

i also hve read very good reviews about windows 7 and ill wait till next year to decide.
any comments (even fanboys:) are welcome to help me decide.
thanks!

[Zygi]

I don't get one thing.

Do you all actually buy hardware and expect it to break nearly instantly? Geez that's bad. <stroking his thinkpad>

Absolutely, I once bought an Apple laptop that broke before it was even released.

BTW what does "stroking his thinkpad" mean, is it a euphemism?

It gets even more complicated if you take into account the most awesome feature on a thinkpad: the nipple!

Perverts!

[SubFunk]

it probably depends on a lot of personal experience as well...

i have to use windows based systems at work and it's a permanent nightmare... yeah you can get them running somehow, but the extra time and knowledge you need to acquire to maintain and make a windows based system work really smoothly... is a full time task...
and still we have failures and trouble over and over...

i use macs since now over 10 years and it's been a bliss... plus all the people i moved over to macs (which have been dozens, i am very good at selling macs ) have been 100% satisfied ever since... (and no they are not perfect, but take don't take all my time and nerves up to get my work with my tools done)

i am definitely in the i hate and have zero tolerance for windows based PCs boat.

[Sage]

Apple do make good products, but everything else about them is a really evil company. I wouldn't have a Mac if it wasn't the best choice for me because I don't like how Apple operate.

[hurlingdervish]

Apple do make good products, but everything else about them is a really evil company. I wouldn't have a Mac if it wasn't the best choice for me because I don't like how Apple operate.

something about them screams soma, orgy porgy and the feelies

best analogy for mac vs pc

mac- the upstanding citizen with a dead body in his trunk
pc- the diseased whore with the heart of gold

sure everything SEEMS ok with MR. Mac, until he knocks you unconcious and ties you up

sure the whore may have a couple of diseases, but with some condoms and a general sense not to wander into any dark alleys, you'll be ok.

[LOFA]

I love your analogy.

I have a bittersweet relationship with apple myself. I have a G5 that never, ever worked completely, never will and that they had in their possession for weeks and never resolved. It runs just like new (2004,) with a new power supply and a third HD, but it never worked right in the first place.

My Macbook's HD died immediately out of warranty.

My ipod which I never used died within a year. They said they had no record and could not help me. After the year was up I found proof of purchase time, etc. They told me that they had a transcription problem and that they would apologized, found my data and would send me a new one. The new one died immediately after the 30 day trial period.

Perhaps the thing that upset me the most was that I believe I was told that I would be able to upgrade an academic version of Logic 7 ($500) and later found out that I could not.

[Machinesworking]

best analogy for mac vs pc

mac- the upstanding citizen with a dead body in his trunk
pc- the diseased whore with the heart of gold

sure everything SEEMS ok with MR. Mac, until he knocks you unconcious and ties you up

sure the whore may have a couple of diseases, but with some condoms and a general sense not to wander into any dark alleys, you'll be ok.

This is awesome! Did you come up With that yourself?

This completely explains it:
So if you navigate either and come out unscathed then the difference is in the story:
No one wants to hear about how you banged a diseased whore and didn't get aids, but if you survive the psychopath, a certain segment of the population will hang on your every word. Now the rest who are banging the diseased whore will naturally look down on the few who are fascinated with the psychopath, and even taunt them loudly, chiming in about how they're appalled at the obsessive morbid masochistic nature of the psychopath fans, all the while they're banging a diseased whore.

Yeah, that works.

[leonard]

had a macbookpro for almost 2 years,
nothing at all wrong with it.
best thing about macs: print to pdf built in to everything,
terminal apps: all of them

i hate evangelical open source cunts more than i hate apple or windows

[hurlingdervish]

This is awesome! Did you come up With that yourself?

This completely explains it:
So if you navigate either and come out unscathed then the difference is in the story:
No one wants to hear about how you banged a diseased whore and didn't get aids, but if you survive the psychopath, a certain segment of the population will hang on your every word. Now the rest who are banging the diseased whore will naturally look down on the few who are fascinated with the psychopath, and even taunt them loudly, chiming in about how they're appalled at the obsessive morbid masochistic nature of the psychopath fans, all the while they're banging a diseased whore.

Yeah, that works.

haha yea I made it up

you took it to the next level though!

Pretty Woman vs Dexter?

[noisetonepause]

Get a ThinkPad/ThinkCentre. Three year warranty, sorted.

[noisetonepause]

ALTHOUGH: Windows 7.

I've tried it. Since ditching Apple and switching to Linux on a real man's computer, I don't have a way of running Live. I did the dual boot with XP for a while but got sick of it and wanted to reclaim the HD space. So currently I'm making music on a Yamaha sampler (yes, hardware sampler) with an old PowerBook running the same dodgy version of Logic Platinum i started out on ten years ago. This probably doesn't sound appealing to anyone but me though...

So anyways. I tried Windows 7 in a virtual machine thinking maybe it'd be useful for day-to-day work for me, maybe run BSD in a VM to get work done and use Windows for Live and suchliek. At first it seemed OK. You know. Installation was pleasant, it boots fairly quickly, the new taskbar and start menu are significantly less retarded than the old versions.

But it's still fucking Windows. It's configuration wizards everywhere, handholding bollocks, constantly trying to be clever and failing miserably -- in a lot of ways it's even a regression from Windows XP. I tried to mount an FTP server in Explorer the other day, had to google how to do it. I'm reasonably clever and despite my wishes to the contrary I do know my way around Windows, and quite frankly having to google for how to navigate through twentysix different configuration wizards to do incredibly simple tasks is not something I want to do on a regular basis.

And of course when you download an application installer off the web and try to run it, it asks you fucking three times if you're ABSOLUTELY SURE!!

It's also incredibly tacky looking.

So. Think about it before you make the jump. OMS & OS9 and SCSI cables are like a veinful of morphine compared to Windows. IMO. Not that I'm a huge fan of OS X but it least it doesn't constantly shove the 2009 equivalent of animated paper clips in your eyes.

[v00d00ppl]

ALTHOUGH: Windows 7.

I've tried it. Since ditching Apple and switching to Linux on a real man's computer, I don't have a way of running Live. I did the dual boot with XP for a while but got sick of it and wanted to reclaim the HD space. So currently I'm making music on a Yamaha sampler (yes, hardware sampler) with an old PowerBook running the same dodgy version of Logic Platinum i started out on ten years ago. This probably doesn't sound appealing to anyone but me though...

So anyways. I tried Windows 7 in a virtual machine thinking maybe it'd be useful for day-to-day work for me, maybe run BSD in a VM to get work done and use Windows for Live and suchliek. At first it seemed OK. You know. Installation was pleasant, it boots fairly quickly, the new taskbar and start menu are significantly less retarded than the old versions.

But it's still fucking Windows. It's configuration wizards everywhere, handholding bollocks, constantly trying to be clever and failing miserably -- in a lot of ways it's even a regression from Windows XP. I tried to mount an FTP server in Explorer the other day, had to google how to do it. I'm reasonably clever and despite my wishes to the contrary I do know my way around Windows, and quite frankly having to google for how to navigate through twentysix different configuration wizards to do incredibly simple tasks is not something I want to do on a regular basis.

And of course when you download an application installer off the web and try to run it, it asks you fucking three times if you're ABSOLUTELY SURE!!

It's also incredibly tacky looking.

So. Think about it before you make the jump. OMS & OS9 and SCSI cables are like a veinful of morphine compared to Windows. IMO. Not that I'm a huge fan of OS X but it least it doesn't constantly shove the 2009 equivalent of animated paper clips in your eyes.

It asking you whether you are sure or not is a great security feature. Because in a 32 bit environment it iwll ask you once and malware might look like what you want to install and wreak havoc. Now if you read each prompt you will notice that if you were downloading malware and were about to install it you can see it change from something like liveinstaller.exe to scatalerts.exe in the third window. Its annoying, but do look at it each time so you can protect your system.

At first, I was annoyed with it, but its useful when you get used to it.

[AceLuby]

I only have one thing to say regarding buying insurance for your products.

If the company selling the insurance wasn't making a profit on it they wouldn't be selling it.

That means they are either:

a) banking that they have a decent product that won't break down and use the insurance
b) hoping that the user won't use the insurance when the product does break
c) plan on denying claims that exceed the price of your insurance

If I have to buy insurance on a product I'm not going to buy said product.

[LOFA]

I only have one thing to say regarding buying insurance for your products.

If the company selling the insurance wasn't making a profit on it they wouldn't be selling it.

That means they are either:

a) banking that they have a decent product that won't break down and use the insurance
b) hoping that the user won't use the insurance when the product does break
c) plan on denying claims that exceed the price of your insurance

If I have to buy insurance on a product I'm not going to buy said product.

Whose computer are you typing on then?

[glitchrock-buddha]

Between 2 imacs, a powerbook, a power mac, a cinema display, a macbook and 2 ipods we've DEFINITELY spent close to, if not more than 10 thousand dollars on apple products over the last 8 years.

But that's a lot of stuff! 3 Desktop computers and two laptops, plus 2 higher end mp3 players and a good quality screen. If you were in PC world you could easily spend that for the equivalent machines. Not starting an argument, but you guys did buy a lot of stuff.

Sucks that you had problems. Sometimes it just doesn't matter what computer company or OS you're using. Sometimes computer investments just fuck you.