it's official, next year I don't upgrade till it's stable

[3dot...]

this is just an endless cycle of buying the new release that is buggy as shit and then suffering with it for months on end until it's finally stable a few months before the new version is released, every year it's the same damn story. next year I don't upgrade till there is a decent stable version out I don't care if I have to wait 8 months after release to get it, they don't get my money till they make it work right PERIOD!

sign this thread and join me in telling ableton that they don't get our money until they make it work right.

SIGNED: Johnisfaster

+1
for me 7/8 were/are buggy...
I use the latest version...but bite my tongue each time I'm waiting for the OS to load...
it doesn't even surprise or frustrate me any more...and that's sad...
I moved to live (v4) from cubase because it was rock solid and could be played live.
I've got time and ass (and $$$) invested in this software so I'm still on board..
but I'm pretty disappointed ...
and btw...
wtf is up with the M4L release ?!
I think when they announced M4L they should've added that it's still in development...
and won't be released in this coming year...
instead they made you think it was all good and ready in those vids...
this was looking like a great release... as I said before...disappointing
end rant.

[Tone Deft]

that's great JIF. you need a tissue to dry your eyes? maybe neb can give you a man hug or hold your hand while you figure out how to set up a DAW.

taking the piss, you want to start a whine thread it's to be expected.

people have to know that part of the complaints HAVE TO be from the average fuckwit not knowing or bothering to set up a computer properly. it's part of the game.


I look forward to buying Live 9 as soon as it's out, same with max4Live. for the $150 upgrade the new features in Live 8 have been great. I just have to stop working with people who are still on earlier versions.


judging on when to buy Live based on forum activity is completely retarded. try the beta FFS, think for yourself.

[McQ714]

is anyone else sick of these threads??? besides TD... it's obvious that you are doing everything in your power to slam Live and Ableton! figure out why you are having the issues you are having instead of ranting on here about it.

for the record, i upgraded and installed Live 8 Suite on my computer the day it was released. it has only crashed once and that was due to loading up a project that had some 3rd party plugs in it that needed my ilok installed and i forgot i had taken it out of my hub...

So, fuck all you whiners that have nothing to do but to complain on the forum. we don't give a shit about your issues. if you have a problem, report it to Ableton's support staff. they are pretty helpful when it comes to that kind of shit!!!

[3dot...]

power to the ppl...

[glitchrock-buddha]

is anyone else sick of these threads??? besides TD... it's obvious that you are doing everything in your power to slam Live and Ableton! figure out why you are having the issues you are having instead of ranting on here about it.

for the record, i upgraded and installed Live 8 Suite on my computer the day it was released. it has only crashed once and that was due to loading up a project that had some 3rd party plugs in it that needed my ilok installed and i forgot i had taken it out of my hub...

So, fuck all you whiners that have nothing to do but to complain on the forum. we don't give a shit about your issues. if you have a problem, report it to Ableton's support staff. they are pretty helpful when it comes to that kind of shit!!!

I agree that Ableton are very helpful and I know they are trying their best to fix the issues. It's not that all other DAWs are necessarily that much more stable. It's more that Ableton has always been known for being rock solid and that just isn't the case right now.
And although I don't know him, I really don't think Johnisfaster is someone who has "nothing to do but complain on the forum".

I disagree that those who have serious issues should just report it to ableton and then shut up about it. However, at the end of the day, it is our choice whether or not to spend money on something and nothing is stopping us from waiting until we hear reports of stability before we pay for an upgrade. But I think that is the point of this thread. We shouldn't just fork over our money until we're confident that it will be stable for us. That is a consumer choice though. Like I said, although I see a lot of crashes, I still don't regret forking over the money before it's been super stable because the new features were actually going to change how I did things.

[Tone Deft]

is anyone else sick of these threads??? besides TD... it's obvious that you are doing everything in your power to slam Live and Ableton! figure out why you are having the issues you are having instead of ranting on here about it.

for the record, i upgraded and installed Live 8 Suite on my computer the day it was released. it has only crashed once and that was due to loading up a project that had some 3rd party plugs in it that needed my ilok installed and i forgot i had taken it out of my hub...

So, fuck all you whiners that have nothing to do but to complain on the forum. we don't give a shit about your issues. if you have a problem, report it to Ableton's support staff. they are pretty helpful when it comes to that kind of shit!!!

thing is, if you spent all that money, then you get into a creative mood and BOOM-BAM-CRASH-O-RAMA that really really sucks donkey dong.

someday Live will run like shit for me, many a revenge post will be made.

[McQ714]

I agree that Ableton are very helpful and I know they are trying their best to fix the issues. It's not that all other DAWs are necessarily that much more stable. It's more that Ableton has always been known for being rock solid and that just isn't the case right now.
And although I don't know him, I really don't think Johnisfaster is someone who has "nothing to do but complain on the forum".

I disagree that those who have serious issues should just report it to ableton and then shut up about it. However, at the end of the day, it is our choice whether or not to spend money on something and nothing is stopping us from waiting until we hear reports of stability before we pay for an upgrade. But I think that is the point of this thread. We shouldn't just fork over our money until we're confident that it will be stable for us. That is a consumer choice though. Like I said, although I see a lot of crashes, I still don't regret forking over the money before it's been super stable because the new features were actually going to change how I did things.

point taken... it seems I have nothing better to do than to complain about people complaining!!!

[aisling]

is anyone else sick of these threads??? besides TD... it's obvious that you are doing everything in your power to slam Live and Ableton! figure out why you are having the issues you are having instead of ranting on here about it.

for the record, i upgraded and installed Live 8 Suite on my computer the day it was released. it has only crashed once and that was due to loading up a project that had some 3rd party plugs in it that needed my ilok installed and i forgot i had taken it out of my hub...

So, fuck all you whiners that have nothing to do but to complain on the forum. we don't give a shit about your issues. if you have a problem, report it to Ableton's support staff. they are pretty helpful when it comes to that kind of shit!!!

Actually I do give a shit. I am on the fence about upgrading, and want to hear all the good, the bad and the ugly..... Thank you for sharing your stability experience.
We each have our own life path to follow, but I am finding out in mine that diplomacy, tolerance, civility and understanding seem to better my causes.

[o0o]

you guys need to get off your high horses, slaming fellow musicians who are having widely documented less than optimal experiences with Live is no better than people slaming ableton out of frustration. I didn't see anywhere on my ableton box where it said that you needed to be a Dawriffic user to get by, maybe some of the people who use ableton are musicians and not technicians but that doesn't mean that they don't know when something is wrong.

unless Live 8.0 came out and you've been using that and have no problems, and the front page of the general forum didn't have 8.0.5b.10 on it then you're not making sense, unless you want to include Ableton themselves in your insults because they no that the software is not stable yet as well. Like we all can't understand that paying for something and having it not work properly doesn't sit well, if this were any other company you guys would be throwing molitof cocktails at them, you notice that jif isn't speaking personaly about the people at ableton he's disatisfied with the products current state and has the right to be, even ableton thinks ist should be better.

We all Love this company and this product, our only real gripe is that ableton don't communicate well enough, we all wish they would get on the forum and talk to us more and let us know what direction they are going in more and that news letter absolutely no help in this regard, if they gave us more feedback John and those like him would probably not be as upset

[o0o]

I Love Ableton

[Tone Deft]

you guys need to get off your high horses, slaming fellow musicians who are having widely documented less than optimal experiences with Live is no better than people slaming ableton out of frustration. I didn't see anywhere on my ableton box where it said that you needed to be a Dawriffic user to get by, maybe some of the people who use ableton are musicians and not technicians but that doesn't mean that they don't know when something is wrong.

disagree. if you're going to use a computer to make music you'd first better learn how to use a computer. some complaints are definitely from user error, those do factor in. pick up ANY box of software and you should know how to use a computer first, or be prepared to start learning, the hard way.

unless Live 8.0 came out and you've been using that and have no problems, and the front page of the general forum didn't have 8.0.5b.10 on it then you're not making sense, unless you want to include Ableton themselves in your insults because they no that the software is not stable yet as well.

talk about not making sense. what? that's the 'run-on sentence of the day.'
there's no such thing as bug free software every piece of software I use has monthly updates.

We all Love this company and this product, our only real gripe is that ableton don't communicate well enough, their transparency is about as good as obamas and we all wish they would get on the forum and talk to us more and let us know what direction they are going in more and that news letter absolutely no help in this regard,

nice, invoke politics. point deducted.

they don't communicate well? FFS name another DAW that does it better, or even just another software compnay. examples or stfu gtfo.

if they gave us more feedback John and those like him would probably not be as upset

well, in this case, JIF has posted one bug report in the Support section. you think Ableton can broadcast info to help people or would it be more effective for people to speak up about their bugs to get them sorted?


another one of these f-ing threads...

btw why bother getting into flame wars in the name of other people?

[o0o]

no flaming wars but it might not be good to judge the situation by the level of your own computer skills.
ableton has great computer skills and they agree live 8 is not right yet.

[McQ714]

i'm no technician... i work in an office for a construction company. i don't consider myself to be a musician either. this is a hobby for me and probably will be until the day i die.

however, on the topic of stability, i built my own computer instead of buying one from the bloatware manufacturers of the world. it wasn't hard at all. any guy that can tighten a screw and install a software app can build a computer. now that may or may not have anything to do with it but i'm willing to bet that there are a ton of programs and services running on most people's computers, including macs, that just don't need to be running. especially for DAW use.

[Machinesworking]

Haven't bought 8 yet. I'm not knocking Ableton, I use a lot of third party hardware and drivers etc. My only complaint was that it wasn't stable for me, and quite a few others when it was released. After beta testing I knew that it wasn't worth the new features to upgrade..... I hopped off the upgrade path a while ago, most of my plug ins that have paid upgrades are on older versions, and I'm rocking Live 7, DP5, and Logic 8.

I mean I'm really glad that Live got a bunch of features that Logic and Digital Performer already had, (group tracks, looper, vocoder, colored tracks) but to justify the upgrade I would want Suite, and can't afford it yet. Stability is more important to me than new features.

[gjm]

however, on the topic of stability, i built my own computer instead of buying one from the bloatware manufacturers of the world. it wasn't hard at all. any guy that can tighten a screw and install a software app can build a computer. now that may or may not have anything to do with it but i'm willing to bet that there are a ton of programs and services running on most people's computers, including macs, that just don't need to be running. especially for DAW use.

Then you of all people should know that the hardware can be the problem and NOT the software, either Ableton or the bloatware. I too built myself a very nice quad core pc, spent endless posts dissing Ableton for their shit product then realised the graphics card was the culprit. On top of that, the combination of both HW and SW variations makes it even more intriguing.