The "Fades" OMG topic - Bug or not?

[IP]

Hi! i need some information from AL8 users about fades!
I didnt test fades in beta period because i was addicted to the other new features...

but now im having a demo and i can see that ...
(Please correct me if im wrong)

1. Fades can be applied only to track volume
2. Fades can be applied only to audio tracks
3. If you have a 1 bar clip looped for 16 bars and you need to apply fades to the last 4 bars, you need to
a) split the last 4 bars b) consolidate the 4 bars c) apply the fades

is that right? or im losing something big here?

Thanks

[elxicano]

They're useful, but not as user friendly as some other hosts... well at least that is my take on it.

It does work like you mentioned, but you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.

If you're going to loop a 1-bar clip for 16 bars, then instead of 16 individual clips, you can simply drag the one bar clip to extend it over 16 bars, which eliminates consolidation. In order to do this, make sure your clip has "loop" enabled in the clip details.

If that seems like too much work, then might as well just create a volume envelop and add the fade to the track instead of on the clip.

The big reason why the fades are useful is because you can now easily create crossfades between two overlapping clips AND the curve of the fade is easier to control than creating your own volume envelope to the track.

The ability to creat crossfades between clips is the reason why each clip has it's own fade, which is what it seems you consider possibly problematic? Again, if you don't extend the 1-bar clip by either dragging or consilidatign, then the fades to be applied accross 4 bars would be pointless as a utility and again, the workaround is to simpley create a volume envelope for the fade.

Hope that helps, and sorry if I rambled... I'm sleepy.

[IP]

If you're going to loop a 1-bar clip for 16 bars, then instead of 16 individual clips, you can simply drag the one bar clip to extend it over 16 bars, which eliminates consolidation. In order to do this, make sure your clip has "loop" enabled in the clip details.

This is what i do!
I told

If you have a 1 bar clip looped for 16 bars

the problem is (if i do it right) that it is a fade per 'real' clip (not looped)!
so
1-bar clip, looped 16 times for example can have only 1 bar fades! (well one bar at the start and one at the end)
so if i need a 4 bar fade, i have to consolidate 4 bars!

except if im missing something

edit: some screenshots

this a 1-bar clip looped for 16 bars
i can have only 1 bar fade because the original clip is 1 bar


if i need 4 bars



i have to spit at the 4 bar i need (or ctrl & drag 4 bars to make a new clip) / consolidate / apply fade

man if im doing it with the right way, fades are really.... WTF!!! you know what i mean

[elxicano]

You're correct.... 1 bar clip equals 1 bar fades because it's designed to be useful for crossfading overlapped clips.


What I was saying is that instead of duplicating a 1-bar clip 16 times, or copy and pasting a single clip 16 times... By enabling the 1 bar clip as a loop, and then dragging the edges of the loop to make it 16 bars is much faster AND it eliminates the need to consolidate, which is unnecessary.

Does this make sense?

[IP]

What I was saying is that instead of duplicating a 1-bar clip 16 times, or copy and pasting a single clip 16 times... By enabling the 1 bar clip as a loop, and then dragging the edges of the loop to make it 16 bars is much faster AND it eliminates the need to consolidate, which is unnecessary.
Does this make sense?

I never said "duplicating a 1-bar clip 16 times" ... im doing it the same way like you do

"enabling the 1 bar clip as a loop, and then dragging the edges of the loop to make it 16 bars"

but this is not eliminates the need to consolidate IF you need more than 1 bar fades (like i do) :-/

check the screenshot added to the prev. post

[elxicano]

My apologies bro! I never noticed this problem till now. Seriously, WTF????

Yeah, you're absolutely and unfortunately right, that the only away around it is to consolidate. That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've seen. I hope this is something they're looking to improve.

Once again... sorry for not gettin it the first time around.

[IP]

no worries man!
maybe i didnt explain very good as my English are not so good too

Yes this is very crazy thing.
I said it cant be ... there must be an other way to do it, but unfortunately not

I work with very big files (32/88200) and now i making many and very big fades to each track (dont have AL8 yet so im making them with volume automation points) so if i go "8" and start using fades then my projects will become at least 3 times bigger (in space... because consolidate is making new files )..

[forge]

+1

[IP]

Id like to have an official ableton answer here ...
is it a bug or this is just the way it works!?
(should i post this to "Bugs & Problems" or "Feature Wishlist" forum)

hope to be a bug

Also 200+ views and only 3 answers?
Seems that no one give a shit about fades!
but when fades was announced as a feature of 8 everybody was

[forge]

Seems that no one give a shit about fades!
but when fades was announced as a feature of 8 everybody was

there were a couple of big threads on it

[Amaury]

Id like to have an official ableton answer here ...
is it a bug or this is just the way it works!?
(should i post this to "Bugs & Problems" or "Feature Wishlist" forum)

hope to be a bug

Also 200+ views and only 3 answers?
Seems that no one give a shit about fades!
but when fades was announced as a feature of 8 everybody was

Hi,

Indeed, fades are only applicable to audio clips, they do work on the clip volume, that's pretty standard concerning fades.

Their length is limited by the length of a loop iteration. That's "related" the way clips work behind the scene, working with this limitation allowed us to offer crossfades in Live 8. Anything else would cost much, much more time (work).

So I guess the wishlist is your friend.

Regards,
Amaury

[Bungle]

Just wanted to clarify this, are you saying that if you have a 2 bar audio clip then the fade (whether it's fade in, fade out, or crossfade) cannot exceed 2 bars?

[IP]

Yes.

the only way to apply bigger fades is to loop/consolidate any number of bars you want.

[flowdesigner]

Their length is limited by the length of a loop iteration. That's "related" the way clips work behind the scene, working with this limitation allowed us to offer crossfades in Live 8. Anything else would cost much, much more time (work).

So I guess the wishlist is your friend.

Regards,
Amaury

Thanks, looking forward to it!

[friend_kami]

from what i gather, when you select "show fades" it applies fades automatically, even though they are very ery short. this is audible as well, and there's no way to get rid of them once they're there either -.-