DJ AM dies

[jsg4z]

You burry yourself further with every post.
Hint: the leader of the "Moderation Movement" who advocated all the shit you do was recently convicted of vehicular manslughter in the first degree. She hit a father and daughter dead on, killed them both. Judge rightfully threw the book at her.

You know nothing at all about addiction, and again, if you're above the age of 16 or so, you should be ashamed of yourself for opening your ignorant mouth, yet here you are spouting more lies. Seriously, you really have no clue at all about which you speak, give it a rest and maybe remember that your 'feelings' about a subject are in no way or shape, your knowledge on a subject.

some chick who agrees with me killing a rack of other people doesnt invalidate our shared beliefs. that just means she killed a rack of people. addiction is still a pathetic excuse for people who don't want to stop doing something. look if you have an emotional connection to some guy who killed himself because of an addiction,im sorry that youre hurting. otherwise the reality is that addicts have a choice and if they choose death then so be it.

[aqua_tek]

looks like death caught up!

Uncool jokes aside, sad. Not so much because of his star status but, as contakt said, another human.

And he was actually very talented as a dj. Guy was just guilty by association. He was knocking boots with some attention starved, talentless socialites, so he must be one himself eh?

People are always so quick to judge.

[Android Bishop]

And he was actually very talented as a dj. Guy was just guilty by association. He was knocking boots with some attention starved, talentless socialites, so he must be one himself eh?

People are always so quick to judge.

True, I didnt know the guy so for all I know he was a kickass and talented dude. Sometimes I get caught up in the joys of hate

[aqua_tek]

We're all judgmental to an extent. It's human nature. I myself thought the same for so long. He's just another socialite attention whore. Then by chance I came across a video from one of his gigs and the guy rocked it. Started getting more familiar with some of his work and came to admit, he was actually pretty damn good.

Before the hatemongers come and say "such and such dj would own his ass on the decks" I'm not saying he was the best. I'm just saying he was good, and it was a pleasant surprise.

[jsg4z]

If i get addicted to ice cream, get real fat and die. Who is to blame? Ben&Jerrys?

Yes, I am quick to judge when people smoke bags of crack, as well as when people do a multitude of other astronomically stupid things.

[Machinesworking]

Give me a fucking break, they killed themselves in an attempt to get their jollies.

i have to agree with bishop here

ive been around enough addicts to know they would rather selfishly get high to the point of death than actually give a fuck about anyone who loves them

Jesus fuck, none of you people have ever read anything at all about addiction have you? Let's cut to the chase here, none of you have done any work on the subject at all, you're all talking from an emotional standpoint, "X human didn't care about anything but getting high!" etc. you know nothing on the subject, zero.

I don't have the time or patience to go into detail, but addiction is not a simple choice, a fuck ton of things have to fall into place for most people to quit, and it's not because they don't want to, if you think negative patterns of behavior are easy to change, you're a total idiot, and haven't been paying attention to the way the world works in general. Recovery rates for addicts are all at a around 14% this isn't because these people are pussies or weak, or made a conscious choice to keep killing themselves etc. For any person who is seriously addicted the party aspect of it is long gone, it doesn't really apply, and if you dont' understand that, again, you know nothing about addiction. If you know know nothing about stress patterns, conditioning, genetic components, mental illness, repressed memories etc, except a paragraph you read online, then again you know nothing about addiction and why it occurs.

Sorry to say, but you're all being really sickeningly simple minded. Personally I think it's weak on your parts. It's comforting to think that people just like to party too hard, and it kills them, they should have took a smaller dose etc. but reality isn't comforting, that addiction can hit any of you if you get to a certain place mentally, and to a degree are genetically predisposed to it. personally I think you're all a bunch of spoon fed pussies, if someone cut your mothers throats in front of you, and some friend offered you some heroin a little while later, I can guarantee that most of you would be dead in a year or two.

[knotkranky]

Addiction is never "the problem" but a carefully constructed faux solution.

[hurlingdervish]

dude I'm not an idiot. i know people can be predisposed to be addicts

that just doesn't change how they treat people unfortunately. emotional standpoint? no...thats when people read something on the internet and get all heated

I was speaking from experience.

[hurlingdervish]

when you know someone who is dying from an addiction and you pour your heart and soul into helping only for them to chew it up and spit and out and steal from you, then you'll wake up and realize that those were wasted efforts. nothing can help them but themselves. if they do receive help it's because they WANT to change..but most often they don't.
until it happens to someone you know you wont understand that.

[hurlingdervish]

and i find it absolutely ridiculous that people think they are the "master authorities" on how people should feel.

if you are sympathetic for him great, good for you, most people should be.

unfortunately i have KNOWN enough addicts to know better than to invest any emotion in them at all. and its even more ridiculous that you assume that I know 0% about addiction when you know 0% about my life and my friends and those who used to be my friends and those who are homeless because of addiction.

you have no right to tell people how to feel.

[knotkranky]

Helping an addict is best expectation free cuz it takes years. Their addiction wants you to give up on them, but that ain't them either. Like a child and a tantrum, help needs to be unconditional and steady to be effective.

[STRATEGY_510]

Helping an addict is best expectation free cuz it takes years. Their addiction wants you to give up on them, but that ain't them either. Like a child and a tantrum, help needs to be unconditional and steady to be effective.

Some people tried to help me when I was a crackhead and I didn't give a shit about them and their efforts.

In the end, I only was able to quit because at some point I wanted to. I have to say though, to get to that point of wanting to quit, I had to be cutoff for a year,a and I effectively was with help from military punishment.

This was over twenty years ago, now I'm a controlled manageable alcoholic. I know I won't quit that either until I really want to. The fact that I don't think it's worth the trouble to even quit for a few days or a week (which I'm capable of doing; did it to win a bet recently) means I'm not at all committed to quitting yet.

Until it has a noticeable negative effect on my family life or career, I will probably never get serious about quitting.

I agree that people who ARE hurting themselves and others who don't even try to quit are copping out, addiction and predisposition notwithstanding.


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[knotkranky]

^ You took care of it cuz you wanted to but you traded a set of civilian friends for tougher military friends to get there. You did it, but you didn't do it alone, if i may speculate. And you're right, addiction is only ever managed not cured. Congrats btw.

I just did an intervention a couple of months ago. Got the dude to complete a 60 day rehab (really hard) but now he's using again (crack/meth/booze) and he won't call me anymore cuz of it. He's pissed, but that just means he doesn't compute the loss of just about everything. It may take him ten years to get it and call, but i'll be right where i left off caring for the guy's health and daughter. That intervention may show itself to be a lot of good down the road.

[STRATEGY_510]

^ You took care of it cuz you wanted to but you traded a set of civilian friends for tougher military friends to get there. You did it, but you didn't do it alone, if i may speculate. And you're right, addiction is only ever managed not cured. Congrats btw.

Good Call! I may have implied otherwise, but I certainly didn't do it without help, even though it was inadvertent help.

I will pat myself on the back for the successful follow-up for the next 22 years, that was all me


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[knotkranky]

as you should