Depeche Mode: so macs reliable enough to use in stadiums...?

[jonny72]

Anyone actually getting/been laid because of their mac? Any ladies out there getting hot and bothered by your MBP?
(Doesn't count if it's caused by the actual temperature of the case )

Are chicks EVER impressed by laptops, in general?
There's a topic for you, "Which brand of laptop will keep me from going home alone after the show?"

Whilst my Apple products (MacBook, iPod, iPhone) have never got me laid they have started plenty of conversations with complete strangers including a number of fit young ladies, most are along the lines of; that looks really cool, I'm thinking of getting one or I've got one. The chances of something similar happening with a Dell laptop, LG mobile or Zen MP3 are non-existent to minimal.

[The Landwhale]

Believe me, I know what you mean, I'm just trying to make a point.
I get the same thing when I'm using the MBP in public, whereas no one gives a shit when I'm using the Dell Mini. (That is, until they see that it's running Leopard, then it's an instant orgy! )

Yes, they are good looking computers, and do strike up conversations more so than most computers, but I just can't imagine buying one for that sake alone.
Keep in mind, I only use OS X for everything (work and personal), and I routinely hate on Windows (in person, anyways).
But I've become this way from using the computers, not looking at the computer's shell and logo.

There are a lot of very legitimate reasons why many artists/engineers at the top of their respective fields use Macs, and this makes people inquisitive as to what those reasons are. That is exactly why I decided to try apple computers in the first place, as is probably true for many people on this forum.

Either platform can be great, and definitely get work done, but there's so much ignorant nonsense coming from both sides of the debate.
("turtlenecks are retarded, my compaq only cost $250" vs. "it just works")

Buying a computer for audio work is not an easy decision, there's a lot of factors to consider and a ridiculous amount of options.

For people who genuinely want to understand the differences in the platforms, it's hard to wade through the bullshit to get to something with honest information and comparisons, like Dom's post.

[alex.the.forge]

Dom, that was amazingly useful, thanks. And thanks also for the prodigy stuff - having to SSDs coz of the monitors, yikes.

Yepp, i didn't believe Jon, their FOH mixer, for years that the monitor sound is firing 132dBA at Liam's back - until he let me try it in march.
Now i believe it - and the reason you don't turn deaf immediately seems to be that it is mainly bass at this volume.
Just a wall of 3x4 bassbins 100cm behind your back.
Roughly 2x2 meters wall of bass.

I hope he wears ear plugs! or is that because he's already deaf?

[jhartford]

Dom,

Any chance of a similar video for the prodigy rig? I would love to see how that whole stack of gear fits together...

[SubFunk]

Dom, that was amazingly useful, thanks. And thanks also for the prodigy stuff - having to SSDs coz of the monitors, yikes.

Yepp, i didn't believe Jon, their FOH mixer, for years that the monitor sound is firing 132dBA at Liam's back - until he let me try it in march.
Now i believe it - and the reason you don't turn deaf immediately seems to be that it is mainly bass at this volume.
Just a wall of 3x4 bassbins 100cm behind your back.
Roughly 2x2 meters wall of bass.

I hope he wears ear plugs! or is that because he's already deaf?

you not get deaf from low / bass frequencies, no matter what db level... the highs and especially distorted highs at even low volumes make you deaf.

bass can be only seriously damaging at very low to ultra low frequencies to your inner organs... that is way motor bass bins are forbidden, for example, you can kill people with that, because you crush there organs.

[posssu]

I'd also like say once more: I think the audio interface is really important. It seems really hard to find an audio interface that works flawlessly, doesn't have crackles... something that just works. When I was buying mine, I searched the forums for the countless thread about audio interfaces and everyone had problems with every audio interface... =) But some are worse than the others. I ended up buying Apogee Duet and now I'm having problems with it too. :/

[SubFunk]

I'd also like say once more: I think the audio interface is really important. It seems really hard to find an audio interface that works flawlessly, doesn't have crackles... something that just works. When I was buying mine, I searched the forums for the countless thread about audio interfaces and everyone had problems with every audio interface... =) But some are worse than the others. I ended up buying Apogee Duet and now I'm having problems with it too. :/

+1

odd to hear problems with a duet, though... sure the 'source' of the problem is not elsewhere?

but exactly that is why i am over and over again a big fan of the firebox... not the best, but one of the most reliable units i ever worked with, unless you spend above 3 times the money of the firebox.

then again, it's in many cases not just the units itself... but the whole constellation of the chain...

[shuutobi]

Yepp, i didn't believe Jon, their FOH mixer, for years that the monitor sound is firing 132dBA at Liam's back - until he let me try it in march.
Now i believe it - and the reason you don't turn deaf immediately seems to be that it is mainly bass at this volume.

Bass will fuck your hearing just as well.

[dom]

forge: nope, it's like subfunk said and i pointed out earlier, in this case the immense level is just the bass.
It's not like distorted guitars firing at you with 132dBA, just the low level that really gives you that earth shaking sensation.
It's like getting hit with something strange like a low frequencey taser. The first time i had the feeling i couldn't move.
And yes, sure, bass can also damage your ear - but mids and highs are more dangerous compared at the same levels.
Just give it a try ;-)

[UKRuss]

Prodigy vids, Dom!

[SubFunk]

Yepp, i didn't believe Jon, their FOH mixer, for years that the monitor sound is firing 132dBA at Liam's back - until he let me try it in march.
Now i believe it - and the reason you don't turn deaf immediately seems to be that it is mainly bass at this volume.

Bass will fuck your hearing just as well.

wrong.



sorry to be so harsh, but if it's applicable, it's applicable.

mids and highs are more dangerous compared at the same levels.

the difference is HUGE!!!

the explained situation can affect your hearing after several years (other organs will suffer more and earlier), a distorted guitar at 132db can make you deaf forever after just one concert (and want affect other organs)

[dom]

Berliner Schnauze is back ;-)
Relax!

[shuutobi]

wrong.

HIGH SPL regardless of frequencies can damage the cilia hairs in the cochlea and/or rupture your eardrum...

[SubFunk]

wrong.

HIGH SPL regardless of frequencies can damage the cilia hairs in the cochlea and/or rupture your eardrum...

yep, only that certain extreme low frequncies not, about the range under 60Hz (unless you use a motorbass, which is forbidden, worldwide). And the upper range of the bass endanger way, way less the mid high and especially distorted mid high frequencies, and you do not loose your entire hearing from low frequencies no matter at what db level, before it does not tear many of your inner organs apart befor the ear is affected. But you easy get deaf from highs.

Please do not argue something you don't know.
It is a vital part of knowledge setting up PA systems as i did / do...
cause in many venues and countries you deal directly with health laws...

[adventurepants_]

i buy hp elitebooks, which are the elite of business laptops

thanks for that, i really needed a bellylaugh! good times.