Run Guitar Rig VST through Live

[murm]

I'm trying to run Guitar Rig through Live. What I'd like to do is play my guitar through Guitar Rig and then add effects on that guitar sound in Live. Here is where I am at:

• I see the Guitar Rig VST in Live.
• I drag the Guitar Rig VST onto a MIDI track
• I see the Guitar Rig interface pop up in Live.
• I play a few notes on my guitar (which is hooked upto Guitar Rig Kontrol), nothing happens.
• I tap keys on my MIDI controller keyboard, nothing happens

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My Guitar Rig is working just fine in standalone mode and the MIDI contoller keyboard works just fine on other instruments in Live!

I did notice that once I drop in Guitar Rig VST, on the bottom left in the effects/instrument chain area Live still says "drop instrument here" which makes me think that Live is treating Guitar Rig as basically an effect VST and not an instrument.

Am stumped! Help?!

[UKRuss]

Drag Guitar Rig onto an audio track, not midi. Then select the input on that channel to match your guitar input on your interface. Arm the track and play.

To control guitar rig via your midi rig Kontrol, open up a midi track adjacent to your audio track and select 'Midi To' to matrch your audio track with guitar rig on it. Another little drop down will pop up underneath it saying Guitar Rig, which shows your midi input is now routed to Guitar Rig on the audio track where your guitar is playing.

Audio coming through GR. Midi going in to control it.

Simples.

[UnCL0NED]

Your guitar is a real instrument, not a midi device!
Try dropping Guitar Rig on an Audio Track and then Arm that track.
Good luck...

[murm]

That worked! After dropping GR onto audio track (and arming it) I was able to play my guitar through rig kontrol. Just being able to combine GR and Live gives an adrenaline rush. Thank you!

@UKRuss: This below did not work for me:

To control guitar rig via your midi rig Kontrol, open up a midi track adjacent to your audio track and select 'Midi To' to matrch your audio track with guitar rig on it. Another little drop down will pop up underneath it saying Guitar Rig, which shows your midi input is now routed to Guitar Rig on the audio track where your guitar is playing.

I'm guessing the intent here is to trigger playback on the GR audio track through the midi coming out of the midi track. I'm hoping that this would also let me to "record" my guitar playback on the midi track. Which sounds like what I want to do! I followed the above steps and exactly what you said happened: I did get the little drop down underneath saying Guitar Rig. BUT when I played my guitar, none of the notes I played registered on the midi track, no sound was heard. Only by arming the audio track (not the midi track) was I able to play GR. Am I doing something else wrong here?

[UnCL0NED]

.... If you want to record your guitar (with effects, you should arm one of the clips or press the record button on the transpose bar in the top (to record in the arrangement view)!
If you want to loop yourself insert a looper effect after the Guitar Rig and record in there (in Live 8 ). There is also a taperecorder in Guitar Rig, btw!!!

What you should do is read the manual! It's all in there.

[murm]

What you should do is read the manual! It's all in there.

That is indeed an awesome piece of advice. I shall most certainly do that. My broken sixth sense told me that all this must be some secret knowledge which has been handed down over generations.

[UnCL0NED]

What you should do is read the manual! It's all in there.

That is indeed an awesome piece of advice. I shall most certainly do that. My broken sixth sense told me that all this must be some secret knowledge which has been handed down over generations.

... Well, I have heard stories of an ancient scroll, hidden somewhere in the Himalaya, that holds all the Ableton secrets!
The map that leads to this scroll is said to be hidden in Ableton Live and will only reveal itself after extensive clicking between the Arrangement View and Clip View button!
After 808 clicks, when 3/8 changes into 4/4 on the 17th bar and all the tracks are aligned: a third view, known as "Map View", will become visible!

...

[UKRuss]

That worked! After dropping GR onto audio track (and arming it) I was able to play my guitar through rig kontrol. Just being able to combine GR and Live gives an adrenaline rush. Thank you!

@UKRuss: This below did not work for me:

To control guitar rig via your midi rig Kontrol, open up a midi track adjacent to your audio track and select 'Midi To' to matrch your audio track with guitar rig on it. Another little drop down will pop up underneath it saying Guitar Rig, which shows your midi input is now routed to Guitar Rig on the audio track where your guitar is playing.

I'm guessing the intent here is to trigger playback on the GR audio track through the midi coming out of the midi track. I'm hoping that this would also let me to "record" my guitar playback on the midi track. Which sounds like what I want to do! I followed the above steps and exactly what you said happened: I did get the little drop down underneath saying Guitar Rig. BUT when I played my guitar, none of the notes I played registered on the midi track, no sound was heard. Only by arming the audio track (not the midi track) was I able to play GR. Am I doing something else wrong here?

NO. The idea here is to send midi into Guitar Rig from your Rig Kontrol so you can control the parameters in Guitar rig, like change a patch or waggle your wah pedal.

As i use an FCB1010 I have to set up a midi track to send the midi from my FCB into Guitar Rig to control it.

not sure if you have to do this with your Rig Kontrol or if it automaticall ylinked to the software anyway.

if it works as it should just by being dropped on an audio track, then no drama, thats where you should also record. Arm the track, click a clip and record a loop or, as has already been said, click global record and record into arrange view.

[ewistrand]

That worked! After dropping GR onto audio track (and arming it) I was able to play my guitar through rig kontrol. Just being able to combine GR and Live gives an adrenaline rush. Thank you!

@UKRuss: This below did not work for me:

To control guitar rig via your midi rig Kontrol, open up a midi track adjacent to your audio track and select 'Midi To' to matrch your audio track with guitar rig on it. Another little drop down will pop up underneath it saying Guitar Rig, which shows your midi input is now routed to Guitar Rig on the audio track where your guitar is playing.

I'm guessing the intent here is to trigger playback on the GR audio track through the midi coming out of the midi track. I'm hoping that this would also let me to "record" my guitar playback on the midi track. Which sounds like what I want to do! I followed the above steps and exactly what you said happened: I did get the little drop down underneath saying Guitar Rig. BUT when I played my guitar, none of the notes I played registered on the midi track, no sound was heard. Only by arming the audio track (not the midi track) was I able to play GR. Am I doing something else wrong here?

NO. The idea here is to send midi into Guitar Rig from your Rig Kontrol so you can control the parameters in Guitar rig, like change a patch or waggle your wah pedal.

Ah- NO. Rig Kontrol uses host automation and not MIDI. The MIDI track's used for automation via third party MIDI controllers such as your FCB.

ew

[UKRuss]

ah ha!

In that case OP, ditch the midi track all together! just slap GR into your audio track. arm the track, arm lives global record and play yourself silly.

[outershpongolia]

How nice is the FCB1010? I had a shitty unreliable MIDI Buddy a while back and got rid of it because it would miss trigger and send the wrong message like 2 out of 5 times.. The FCB looks awesome with the 2 exp. pedals, that'd be perfect for delay and wah..

[UKRuss]

'Tis a sturdy beast and perfect for Live and Guitar Rig control really. All those banks of programmable pedals...sweet.

You can also mod chip using tghe UNO firmware upgrade chip it to get it to work in stomp box mode if you use Guitar Rig like that.

Best thing Behringer make I think.

My only two gripes are the pedals need recalibrating regularly, but this is an easy operation to do, just a pain to have to do it. And there is an audible PSU hum form the unit, but you'd only notice it when everythign else is completely silent, again a minor grumble really.

Oh, and the manual is totally unuseable for learnign to programme the beast initially, fortunately there are some youtube vids that walk you through it easy enough....mine being the best of course.

[outershpongolia]

Seriously considering pickin that up, *add's it to the list*: 1. Macbook Pro 2. Live 8! 3. FCB1010

What exactly does the UNO chip do? I know that it allows stompbox mode, which is what? Being able to turn on multiple effects and the light's will stay on instead of switching between them? So is it more accurate for visual feedback instead of looking at the screen and being confused about what the FCB is showing? I should probably just look it up,

[UKRuss]

Sounds like you already did! Thats exackerly what it does, but it works just fine in normal mode too.

[outershpongolia]

I looked it up and there's a ton of power user-ish stuff that I wouldn't get into, but for 10 and an easy install it's something I'd look into once I got it.. Just need to trigger clips, and use the exp pedals.

There's switch 1 and switch 2 inputs, which I assume would just use a simple sustain pedal or one of those regular switch pedals.. That'd be nice to have the FCB in the middle of my rig, a footswitch on the right for a random function and a foot switch on the left to go with my bass.

Speaking of guitar rig.. Is that any good for metal tones? Not looking for the most crunchiest beefy tone, but something that will go together well with DrumkitFromHell.. My brother has all these idea's and quick riff's he needs to be able to make some scratch tracks that don't sound like fart.