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remix artists

Post by the_antagonist » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:33 am

if I was a record label and approached an artist to remix for me how do they exspect to be paid?

persumably one of two ways.

either the remixer gets a cut of the sales of their version or you have to pay an upfront fee along with a cut.?

can anyone elaborate on this?

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Post by timothyallan » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:11 pm

it's a % of sales, either of the package, or just their remix... or an upfront flat fee... or a straight swap. Or a combination of both monetary methods, but usually one or the other depending on how huge you are.

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Re: remix artists

Post by Tunecrew » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:32 pm

most of the time remixers don't get any points, they just get a one-time payment

points might be given for a very huge remixer with a lot of clout (if they prefer points) or for a broke label with no money to pay for the remix
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Post by wildknees » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:18 pm

if they didn't like it, they wouldn't pay you. sometimes you have to redo the whole thing. maybe they have something about it they want you to simply change which is not bad or hard. and yes you could have worked on it for days. [which is a similar experience to writing and demoing a song or pile of songs and they possibly get rejected too. or a film score that can easily take months. ] if other entities get to know what you do in your remixes they typically hire you to kind of "do your thing" as it were. but there can be lots of dough on the line and people's careers that they worked really hard on, and so that increases the intensity of the discussion. but yes if they don't totally dig it, you won't get paid a cent.
the easiest way around this variable in the money equation is to freak them out with something really killer.

usually the deal is a flat rate.
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Re: remix artists

Post by Khazul » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:19 pm

the_antagonist wrote:if I was a record label and approached an artist to remix for me how do they exspect to be paid?
persumably one of two ways.
either the remixer gets a cut of the sales of their version or you have to pay an upfront fee along with a cut.?
can anyone elaborate on this?
The industry approach to remixing normally goes something like this:

"This new track of ours is utter shite."

"No worries, let have a remix competition, I'm sure some mug will do something half decent with it, just have to promise the winner a release and give them some useless token prize for their efforts and no money and no rights as copyright law doesnt care about what they do to it."

"Oh - great idea! - cool! - I can go and quickly throw together some more shite then and get some other mugs to remix it then?"

"Yup! :twisted:"

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Re: remix artists

Post by d-track » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:00 pm

Khazul wrote:
the_antagonist wrote:if I was a record label and approached an artist to remix for me how do they exspect to be paid?
persumably one of two ways.
either the remixer gets a cut of the sales of their version or you have to pay an upfront fee along with a cut.?
can anyone elaborate on this?
The industry approach to remixing normally goes something like this:

"This new track of ours is utter shite."

"No worries, let have a remix competition, I'm sure some mug will do something half decent with it, just have to promise the winner a release and give them some useless token prize for their efforts and no money and no rights as copyright law doesnt care about what they do to it."

"Oh - great idea! - cool! - I can go and quickly throw together some more shite then and get some other mugs to remix it then?"

"Yup! :twisted:"

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Post by the_antagonist » Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:24 pm

Tunecrew wrote:most of the time remixers don't get any points, they just get a one-time payment

points might be given for a very huge remixer with a lot of clout (if they prefer points) or for a broke label with no money to pay for the remix

points?

like percentage points?

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Re: remix artists

Post by Da hand » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:09 pm

the_antagonist wrote:
Tunecrew wrote:most of the time remixers don't get any points, they just get a one-time payment

points might be given for a very huge remixer with a lot of clout (if they prefer points) or for a broke label with no money to pay for the remix

points?

like percentage points?
yes

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Re: remix artists

Post by SimonPHC » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:49 pm

When something was going to sell quite a few copies I got offered fixed fees.
When something wasn't going to to well at all I was offered percentages.

anyway, they always pay as little as possible.

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Re: remix artists

Post by scientist » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:03 am

Tunecrew wrote:most of the time remixers don't get any points, they just get a one-time payment
my first ever music "job" was doing a flat rate remix for modest mouse before they were famous. oops.

there're no solid rules for how things are done and a flat rate is more common than percentage. some people will even try to pay you with something called "good exposure"...don't fall for it thought, that stuff is worthless when trying to buy groceries.

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Re: remix artists

Post by mnmlmike » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:44 am

I used to work for 2 of the top 10 (arguably) labels on Beatport. 9 times out of 10 it was a flat remix fee for the remixer.
This is the "proper" way of doing it as the a remix as just seen as an "alternate mix" not a completely new track (even though sometimes
they sound like it)

The interesting thing is. A no name artist can produce a track that's kinda wack. The label can then get a HUGE remixer and turn
it into a bomb. The remixer gets a flat fee. The interesting part is that even if the remix is the top seller and the original isn't. The original
artist gets a percentage cut of the remix!

When a label offers you a percentage of sales for a remix that's usually a lower end label with not a whole bunch of $ in the bank.

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