New Apple Laptops

point_misser · Post by **point_misser** » Tue Jan 07, 2003 11:13 pm

mmmm...

i just *looks* really big, because you might not have noticed that the guy holding it in the advert is actually a dwarf.

(lol)

so where's the updated ipod, by the way?

tjwett · Post by **tjwett** » Tue Jan 07, 2003 11:28 pm

yeah, no PCMCIA slot on the 12", which i still consider the only real way to get audio in & out. maybe FireWire2 will change my mind. okay so, fuck the new PowerBook. i hope it drowns in a river of boiling shit. i still want one though

geargasm · Post by **geargasm** » Tue Jan 07, 2003 11:29 pm

I'm thinking Safari is based on the Gecko engine, which I pointed out didn't work with Konqueror a while back.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jan 07, 2003 11:29 pm

nobody in there right mind is going to take that 17" to a club and play live with live, I wouldn't even be able to enjoy the show i'd be to worried about the damn laptop.

twelve · Post by **twelve** » Tue Jan 07, 2003 11:54 pm

dirtystudios wrote:
can i just say that the 15" tibooks were big, so who the fuck is gonna buy one of those 17" monsters?

I disagree, the more screen real estate the better. i wished they had released 22 inch laptops.

dirtystudios · Post by **dirtystudios** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 12:39 am

i can't imagine handling a 17". i need to be careful enough with my 15". just lifting the screen to open the thing feels like it might crack or snap or yell at me or something. god forbid i pick it up flat with one hand. titanium shmanium. lord knows i love my tibook, but it's too delicate as is and i'll bet that those 17" models are even more girly.

k

Geraldo · Post by **Geraldo** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:19 am

Wait a second Yon. Now the L3 cache makes a difference? You told me in an earlier thread that the L3 had no appreciable benefit for audio. I gotta go find that thread now. You are confusing me.

macaddled · Post by **macaddled** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:41 am

geargasm wrote:I'm thinking Safari is based on the Gecko engine, which I pointed out didn't work with Konqueror a while back.

Nope, Steve said it was based on KHTML, aka KDE, aka Konqueror... not Gecko. Definitely a surprise to everyone, I think...

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 7:48 am

Just a note that there is no PC Card slot in the 12" PowerBook G4.

-Alex

maarthel · Post by **maarthel** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 9:04 am

Has anybody seen the video of the new powerbooks on the apple-site.
In the part where BT is raving you see a 17" powerbook running Logic next to a screen running Live!!!

You guys made it to the top!

(But I already knew that)

yon · Post by **yon** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 11:52 am

Geraldo wrote:Wait a second Yon. Now the L3 cache makes a difference? You told me in an earlier thread that the L3 had no appreciable benefit for audio. I gotta go find that thread now. You are confusing me.

Not at all. To repeat what I wrote earlier, the presence of an L3 cache on the G4 powerbooks seems to have a big impact on audio performance; the symptom is that the revB powerbooks are observed to be slower.

The speed of that cache (DDR vs SDR) does not have a measurable impact. The reason is that the time penalty for the data fetch which requires an L3 cache access is much higher than the data access time from L3 (this is my own reasoning). The L3 cache is a benefit, because the time penalty for an access to main memory (as opposed to cache) can still be much higher than that for a cache access, although it depends on other factors.

This is not enough information to explain the situation if you are not already familiar with these ideas. There are a lot of internet sites such as arstechnica which would be more helpful, and someone such as sonnet or powerlogix released a white paper on the specific topic of this post.

yon / ableton

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 12:36 pm

Will the "old" 15-inch Powerbooks continue to boot in OS 9 .... it's important for me to know this, so any info is certainly appreciated....

dig this!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:03 pm

dirtystudios wrote:the hard drives are slower and it looks like the 12"'s lack a cardbus slot as well (all you hammerfall users beware). that, coupled with the lack of l3 is enough to make me get over how gosh darn cute it is really quick. built in bluetooth kinda rocks, but that hardly makes up for the rest

the new drives are ATA/100 on both the 12 & 17, the old 15 had ATA/66

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 4:17 pm

No L3 cache, but it does have a 256k L2 cache and a 133mhz bus and DDR ram.

It's basically a badass silver iBook, which is cool by me!!

I just can't wait to bench it out w/Live and Reason (which IS G4 optimized)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 6:43 pm

17" might seem huge and ungainly, especially in a club, but imagine the tracks you can get on screen!!

of course, who really gives a shit until LIVE IS G4 OPTIMIZED. oldest topic going on this board, but f*cking hell it's ridiculous. i can't believe i'm shopping for x86 laptop.