Is this correct? Recording COPIES the MIDI data to a track?

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:28 am

I was under the impression that when you "recorded" an arrangement of sound and MIDI clips and you then modified a MIDI clip, this would be reflected in the arrangement. However, it seems I was wrong...

Can I change this some way? Becuase of not, Lives MIDI sequencing becomes just the same crap as all other tape recorder style sequencers. Why is it so bloody hard for people to make a real-time pattern-based MIDI sequencer!?

I wish Reason did audio recording. Sigh.

d2 · Post by d2 » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:52 am

Why is it so bloody hard for people to learn the basics of their craft and tools before complaining that some bit "doesn't do X"?

I wish people would read manuals and learn what the hell they are talking about before jumping to innaccurate conclusions ... sigh.

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IF you record MIDI information ... then it's editable/changeable. Whatever is controlled or played by that MIDI track changes accordingly.

IF you record AUDIO, then it is much less so, although LIVE gives better tools for making LIVE changes to AUDIO than just about anything else.[/i]

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:27 pm

Thanks. That was both rude and unhelpful.

Why is it so bloody hard for people to learn the basics of their craft and tools before complaining that some bit "doesn't do X"?

Well, if it does do X, tell me how. If it doesn't, then I think I have the full right to complain.

IF you record MIDI information ... then it's editable/changeable.

Of course it is. The problem is still tjan an arrangement is a COPY of the MIDI data in a clip, so that if I change the clip, this is not reflected in the arrangement.

My question, which you did not answer, is if I can change this behavior.

And if your answer to this is gonna be rude again, then don't bother, OK?

Spiralgroove · Post by **Spiralgroove** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:42 pm

you need to fully understand what arranger does
and what session does
and why they are different when you record
then you will get one of these

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:11 pm

Well, at least you weren't rude.

OK, so assume I don't understand. Then explain, please. How do I get the changes I did in a clip to automatically be reflected in the arrangement?

Spiralgroove · Post by **Spiralgroove** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:19 pm

a clip in session with envelopes is an entity unto itself

when you play it in session it loops and does what youve made those envelopes do

when you press record, whatever is playing in session records into the arranger

if what you played is clips with clip envelopes they still do whatever youve programmed them to do

BUT (and this is the clincher)

the clip that you have in the arranger now is NOT the same clip

it looks the same, and sounds the same but it is a different entity

if you change the original in session, the new one in arrange is not affected

UNLESS

you replace it with something else

that can mean, recording over it with a different clip

or changing the things the envelopes are doing

make sense?

louZ · Post by **louZ** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:15 pm

people should read the manual more....

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:20 pm

Spiralgroove wrote:make sense?

Yes, thats exactly what I said. clips get copied to the arranger.

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:21 pm

louZ wrote:people should read the manual more....

How does reading the manual change the behaviour of the program?

Spiralgroove · Post by **Spiralgroove** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:21 pm

Gravity wrote:
Spiralgroove wrote:make sense?
Yes, thats exactly what I said. clips get copied to the arranger.

then why did you have to ask if you already knew what it was doing?

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:23 pm

My question was: "Can I change this some way?"

Nobody still have answered this, so I assume that means no.

Spiralgroove · Post by **Spiralgroove** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:25 pm

No you cant change that behavior

that behavior is pretty much the entire point of even having the session and the arranger work together the way they do.

embrace it and you will find happiness.

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:28 pm

Well, for me it's not the point, since I want the arranger to be an arrangement only, and i want every "copy" of the clip in the arranger to stay the same.

I can live with this, however. I think. It's still better than a purely linear sequencer, which is the alternative...

Spiralgroove · Post by **Spiralgroove** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:32 pm

Gravity wrote:Well, for me it's not the point, since I want the arranger to be an arrangement only, and i want every "copy" of the clip in the arranger to stay the same.

I can live with this, however. I think. It's still better than a purely linear sequencer, which is the alternative...

youre still not getting it then.

RTFM

louZ · Post by **louZ** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:34 pm

Gravity wrote:
louZ wrote:people should read the manual more....
How does reading the manual change the behaviour of the program?

it doesn't, but it explains what session and arrangement view are and how they interact.