Italian Dj fined for using MP3's

dave999z · Post by **dave999z** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:49 am

pepezabala wrote:I guess this is all propaganda. This will lead us to a society, where public places are totally owned by the big four or five multinational companys, and underground will only happen behind closed doors. That they make people stop filesharing in public places like soulseek doesn't mean that people stop filesharing. If they put "digital rights management" on commercial releases people will stop buying them. And buy underground releases on concerts or from specialist shops, hehe.

I hope so.

onyxashanti · Post by **onyxashanti** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:19 am

let ye who is without sin, cast the first stone...

all that shit does is make italian police look like the fucking mafia unless they have a standardized verification process for the mp3's, and a method for redistributing fines to ALL of the copyright holders whose works were infringed. otherwise, it's bullshit. what if one of the mp3s found, is mine...am i gonna get a $1 check from the italian police?

i've got loads of music i've purchased, and loads of music i haven't. if someone can show me where to get Bobby Brown-Take Control [theme for ghostbusters II] legally, i'll go buy it. [yes, really...

]

the truth is, alot of music is ONLY available on P2P; stuff that is deemed to not be profitable enough to go through the process of uploading it for sale [from the labels]. i would love to be able to find all to old 80's stuff somewhere, and if i ever do find a place to get it legally, i will buy it it. until then, i'll refrain from playing in italy.

robin · Post by **robin** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:23 am

all that shit does is make italian police look like the fucking mafia unless they have a standardized verification process for the mp3's, and a method for redistributing fines to ALL of the copyright holders whose works were infringed. otherwise, it's bullshit. what if one of the mp3s found, is mine...am i gonna get a $1 check from the italian police?

you should get it from BMI/ASCAP in the usual manner.

at the end of the day this is a screwed up situation from any point of view.

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:28 pm

It may be a blessing for serious DJs. There are so many "djs" who are not even amateurs, just have lots of converted mp3 and are ready to work 5-6 hours for 100- 150 Euro. Nobody , even amateur could compete with this, at these rates it wouldnt be possible to use any legal music. So they put out of business real DJs or even bands. Extreme example is Latin scene in Germany, dominated by people with packs or horrible music ( just check it on Kazaa and you will not even find a single file above 128) on big venues it is a horror, real pain in the ears. Most of these guys worry more about they own legal status- visa then of the music. I am not much of Salsero but have weakness for Latinas, however due to these problems I hardly go to latin clubs, these fellows have no clues about any beat "approximation" we are not even talking matching, the sound in big clubs make you feel like by a dentist, pure pain
Since Italians are much more into musica latina then Germans the situation there must be multiplied by 10.
I cannot find any positive point about it, the audience pays and gets exposed to lousy bachata ( Salsa and Timba are not liked by these fellas) in lousy quality, actually everybody , minus these self styled DJs get ripped off.

bonomius · Post by **bonomius** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:43 pm

hi friends,
here in italy, for every media you have, you need a particular stamp from the copyright society, the siae, otherwise it's pirate.
You can only have one mp3 if you also have the original (emergency copy)
but you can't use it in public.
So everyone uses mp3 in disco breaks the law

robin · Post by **robin** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:49 pm

so people who buy vinyl, digitise (to wav in this case) and then play these tunes out via Live is liable for huge fines.

f'in marvellous law that one. and because of the way the EU works this is probably law all over the place.

so where does this leave us? is it in fact illegal to DJ with live in the EU unless you've downloaded the files from places like itunes and warp?

oh dear

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:19 pm

Well since using ableton my sets have consisted of other people's tracks, my own tracks, loops off sample cd, loops I've made, loops friends have made, random samples, bursts of noise....

Is someone gonna check all of my loops and ask me to prove that they were made by me/bought legally/given to me by a friend (who then has to prove that they are the author). did i make that burst of noise? Did I sample it off the radio? etc etc...

When not just playing whole tracks as mp3s is becomes a minefield. It's just not practical to police fairly.

bonomius · Post by **bonomius** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:19 pm

i use live but with my own music, i don't play copyrighted music.
This is my solution. No problems till now.
But the boss of the disco has to pay the siae for every show.
I know djs playing with mp3 but they always take originals
so can show they buyed them. It's tolerated.
Yes it's a f'ing law. And from what i was told it's not possible to play mp3 also if you buyed them from itunes store.

Iainwh · Post by **Iainwh** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:44 pm

ang on, so I buy a load of vinyl 5/6/7 years ago or whatever and copy it to my hard drive to use in Live and if I take that computer to club or bar to dj with, Im breaking the law, if I cant prove I bought the tracks. Like anyone keeps receipts for the best part of a decade.

robin · Post by **robin** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:51 pm

that's the long and short of it as far as i can work out.

vince watson · Post by **vince watson** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:01 pm

as they say here..'get it right intae him'

playing your fellow mates/artists promos on cd is cool as....but not p2p'ing shit....

ripping tracks and spinning them and never paying for them is all too common thesedays...

i wish i had spun with him , i would have snapped his collection just before he started his set.

drush · Post by **drush** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:00 pm

Iainwh wrote:ang on, so I buy a load of vinyl 5/6/7 years ago or whatever and copy it to my hard drive to use in Live and if I take that computer to club or bar to dj with, Im breaking the law, if I cant prove I bought the tracks. Like anyone keeps receipts for the best part of a decade.

robin wrote:that's the long and short of it as far as i can work out.

waiiit a minute... i've read about this dj fine all over the place so i've been ignoring this thread. but supposedly the above is true? italy or everywhere? (sorry if that was covered earlier).

i play lots of custom edits of tracks that i own, have recorded, then remixed/edited. i'll be damned if someone is going to tell me i'm breaking the law.

louZ · Post by **louZ** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:59 pm

robin wrote: f'in marvellous law that one. and because of the way the EU works this is probably law all over the place.

not all laws have to be the same in the EU.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/5405

Moonburnt · Post by **Moonburnt** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:04 am

MP3s aside, don't forget that little phrase that's been on the back of records for the last 40-odd years, along the lines of "Unauthorized public performance, broadcasting, leasing or copying of this recording prohibited"! But no one's gonna write to Mr Big Records saying, Dear Mr Big, I would like to request authorization for public performance of one of your recordings on 19 February 2005, for a duration of 4 minutes and 25 seconds. Hence collection societies, but how many DJs submit set lists so the artists get accurate royalties?

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:32 am

You can only have one mp3 if you also have the original (emergency copy)
but you can't use it in public.
So everyone uses mp3 in disco breaks the law

There are a few things that are a little odd-- one, this "fine", who does it go to? It goes to the government, right-- how does that help the originator of the music? Second, can't use MP3s, what about us electronic musicians who are hoping to sell MP3 albums and singles for download at reasonable prices?

Now, I'm all for making people who use music to make money pay for the music they use, but it seems that this sort of fine does not get that to happen (does it?). Also, what this sort of law works towards is to "squelch" the fledgling buy/download/burn distribution channel that a lot of independent artists support and which avoids a lot of the overhead of the mainstream distribution channels (resulting in more widely distributed and affordable music). Basically, if an Italian DJ wanted to buy my music online and play it, maybe giving me credite abondanza all the while

he wouldn't be able to prove he bought it legitimately even though he did. So it's not who buys what how, it's who controls these "stamps".