loops beginning/ending on beat 2

[ark]

there are ways to do it, for this situation, if you put a beat of silence in the clip, set start to one, loop start at 2, and then loop to the end of the phrase

Doesn't work. The problem is that now when you launch this clip, you get a beat of silence. What I usually want in such situations is for the previous clip to keep playing until the new one starts, just as it always does.

Actually, what would be even better would be for the previous clip to keep playing until the last time the clip end point appears before the new clip's start point, unless legato mode is on.

Either way, the trouble with starting a clip's music at other than the beginning is that you are now forced to have an interval of silence in the clip's playback.

[Tone Deft]

no mater where the start marker is. If I set the start marker to beat 2, then the clip will start playing at beat 2 of the clip, but it will still start at the beginning of a bar.

loops start where the start marker is set, not at the beginning of a bar.

there's a miscommunication here, what's up?

[paq]

there is no miscommunication. u just dont understand.

scnr

[Tone Deft]

there is no miscommunication. u just dont understand.

scnr

OK troll.

that would literally make it a miscommunication.

his writing is off, or my reading is off.

lame.

[ark]

no mater where the start marker is. If I set the start marker to beat 2, then the clip will start playing at beat 2 of the clip, but it will still start at the beginning of a bar.

loops start where the start marker is set, not at the beginning of a bar.

there's a miscommunication here, what's up?

Loops start at the point in the loop where the start marker is set, but they start at a quantization point in global time. So if global quantization is set to 1 bar, beat 1 of the loop does not match global beat 1.

[zalo]

edit: I need to be able to go back clip 1

ok then set up the first clip like the second and third

make a blank clip with a follow action, 0.1.0, next clip so when you click on the first blank clip it starts up the next in legato mode on beat 2

this will get the entire track started then you can switch during beat 1 and all the loops will start correctly

heres a video (5mb, you might want to save it to watch)

http://www.wearerockstars.com/zalo/forums/beat2.mov

@ark
if you set up all of your nonbeat1 loops this way the sound doesnt stop,

[ark]

make a blank clip with a follow action, 0.1.0, next clip so when you click on the first blank clip it starts up the next in legato mode on beat 2

@ark
if you set up all of your nonbeat1 loops this way the sound doesnt stop,

But then:

1) There is still a beat of silence before the first clip starts.

2) If I want to launch another clip manually, I must do so on exactly the beat I want, rather than any time in the preceding bar.

3) I cannot put these clips into a group connected by follow actions, because a later follow action (such as a random selection) might select the silent clip.

[zalo]

1) There is still a beat of silence before the first clip starts.

2) If I want to launch another clip manually, I must do so on exactly the beat I want, rather than any time in the preceding bar.

3) I cannot put these clips into a group connected by follow actions, because a later follow action (such as a random selection) might select the silent clip.

1. the first clip, in the track, is a beat of silence, all of the other tracks playing dont stop, the drums, the bass, all keep going, just the lead has a beat of silence for example
2. dont change the global quantize, only the the legato clips quantize
3. that was a solution for the OP, you can have a blank clip looping with a space between that and the follow action group, and start a clip in the group at the right time to start the loop

ill say this again, i would like a mode that prerolls the clip right when you cue it, so that 1.1.1 starts on the global quantize point but notes before that play before

but until this happens we have to figure out workarounds, this works, its annoying, but honestly you cant complain about having to launch a beat before instead of the bar before, if you were playing any other instrument you wouldnt complain about having to play the notes on time

[Homebelly]

I'm sure you could fix all of these problems using the envelop view.
Jost unlock the envelope loop, add any amount of silence after the end of the clip, set the loop start brace in the envelop view to the point to the end of the original clip and you should be golden.
I do this all the time to set up strange and odd time feels where clips start at diferent points in the bar or at some odd beat division.

[AceLuby]

Seems kinda simple to me.

Set the global quantization to 1/4.

Start a loop on beat 2.

Bam! A loop that starts and ends on 2.

[ark]

Seems kinda simple to me.

Set the global quantization to 1/4.

Start a loop on beat 2.

Bam! A loop that starts and ends on 2.

Obviously you can start loops whenever you want if you throw away quantization.
The fundamental problem is that quantization constrains clips to start at the same time as a quantization interval, rather than allowing you to specify what point within the quantization interval should be the start point.

In other words, an example of what I would like to be able to do is write a clip that always starts on a particular beat of a bar. The OP's example used beat 2; I often want to uset beat 4.

It is easy to force a clip to start on beat 1. It is also easy to let a clip start on any beat (or on any fraction of a beat). What it is not easy to do is to force a clip to start on (for example) beat 2 of a bar.

[AceLuby]

Seems kinda simple to me.

Set the global quantization to 1/4.

Start a loop on beat 2.

Bam! A loop that starts and ends on 2.

Obviously you can start loops whenever you want if you throw away quantization.
The fundamental problem is that quantization constrains clips to start at the same time as a quantization interval, rather than allowing you to specify what point within the quantization interval should be the start point.

In other words, an example of what I would like to be able to do is write a clip that always starts on a particular beat of a bar. The OP's example used beat 2; I often want to uset beat 4.

It is easy to force a clip to start on beat 1. It is also easy to let a clip start on any beat (or on any fraction of a beat). What it is not easy to do is to force a clip to start on (for example) beat 2 of a bar.

I haven't tried it yet, but can't you just put a dummy clip before that clip and set the follow action to 1 beat then go to the next clip?

I'm pretty sure I've done that before.

[ark]

I haven't tried it yet, but can't you just put a dummy clip before that clip and set the follow action to 1 beat then go to the next clip?

No, you can't, because that way you lose the ability to use your clip in a follow-action group. Also, the dummy clip forces a beat of silence, which you may not want.