This guy i work with won shut the F*ck up about Pro Tools

[nuxnamon]

in the end, the consumer is not gonna know or really not gonna care how that track is made.. If the track is good, then it's good.

[leedsquietman]

I wouldn't say Deadmau5 is a good selling point for any DAW platform.

Protools doesn't use the flaky VST standard - it uses the even flakier RTAS system instead (well le/mp but many HD users run some RTAS plugins too as well as TDM).


Horses for courses. I could get drawn into this debate quite easily as someone who does not see the value at all in Protools LE/MP and who believes that Native systems are now capable of delivering the goods at cheaper prices, but it's fair to say that the industry is not going to hang up it's investment in PTHD during these troubled economic times and seriously look at alternatives, plus a certain ratio of engineers are too lazy to want to learn anything else.

Live has it's own strengths and merits. You know what it can do and don't need to justify it to anyone. Like someone else said, you're not likely to change the guys mind - a bit like trying to get aggressive on a smoker, it's more likely to put their back up and make them pull out the ciggies and chain smoke them as a 'f*** you buddy'.

[3phase]

Easy answer: 'Ableton Live is THE Creative Standard'

? there are 10000 more released albums out there that are produced with protools,logic,cubase...
and 100000 that are produced with tapemachines...

live is an easy to use granular stretching loop player..it just has learned to do time signatu changes and groove quantisations..

its a creative toy..but THE cretiv standard? come on..its just a piece of software ..and seeing thigs like melodyne not the smartest one out there

[knotkranky]

I wouldn't say Deadmau5 is a good selling point for any DAW platform.

Protools doesn't use the flaky VST standard - it uses the even flakier RTAS system instead (well le/mp but many HD users run some RTAS plugins too as well as TDM).


Horses for courses. I could get drawn into this debate quite easily as someone who does not see the value at all in Protools LE/MP and who believes that Native systems are now capable of delivering the goods at cheaper prices, but it's fair to say that the industry is not going to hang up it's investment in PTHD during these troubled economic times and seriously look at alternatives, plus a certain ratio of engineers are too lazy to want to learn anything else.

Live has it's own strengths and merits. You know what it can do and don't need to justify it to anyone. Like someone else said, you're not likely to change the guys mind - a bit like trying to get aggressive on a smoker, it's more likely to put their back up and make them pull out the ciggies and chain smoke them as a 'f*** you buddy'.

Leeds, you crack me up about how much production tools cost, like hanging up investment into a ptHD rig and cheaper prices, lazy engineers, yada.

Serious poo talk dude.

Studios and engineers like myself do not care what a daw costs, we care about how much it makes.

[leedsquietman]

poo talk is something I excel in !

KK, I love ya bro and you know what I can't say I would ever pass up an opportunity to be given a PTHD rig, so if you're giving one away, I'll take it.

I stick by (some) lazy engineers though - On the Gearslutz forum, plenty of engineers admit, they don't want to learn other systems, they have their reliable digital tape recorder in PTHD and even though it lacks quite a bit of functionality compared to a Logic/Symphony or Nuendo/Sequoia studio with better converters and costs more, because they already shelled out top dollar, they don't want to have to do it all over again.

But whatever. PTHD is a decent system, I just happen to think it's overpriced - I am entitled to have an opinion, just as you are to disagree and say I specialize in poo talk (finally, I am an expert on something !).

[3phase]

its not really more expensiv than doing the same with apogees...but beside the brilliant software the hardware is not really something that is hot.. fairlight is an alternativ..and in the french domain publison made some points in the past, brilliant stuff...but for music production protools provides at least a timeline in bars and other modern tolls that for modern music production are superior to that what live provides... is there a beat detectiv for live? how you quantize a real drummer? or apply yhis groove to a electronic sound? with lives groove detection? )) sure...place 200 trasient markers by hand... because you do it as a hobby and have any time in the world...

but in the end of the day its a tape machine.. you cant compare it with live... live sucks as a tape machine..big time... you cant even lock clips in the smpte position or use it as timcode master..no way to compare the programs..total different animals..live has elastic audio..something you really dont want on your master recorder...

But i never have seen anybody using protools on stage

[leedsquietman]

true, 2 different animals. Live is my composition and arrangement and creative influence tool. Cubase 5 is my main mixing and editing tool at home. I use Logic and PTHD regularly too at work.

But other traditional linear DAWS are comparable feature wise and you could argue that while all of them have pros and cons, that for some people, the pros light up more often in other software. The other DAWS also don't tie you up in proprietary hardware.

[3phase]

i would really like to use protools again... when ther wouldnt be the hardware limitation.. but i am actually close..
a shitty digi bla bla with le? and a melodyne for the playing around? might be more the sweet end of technology istead the bleeding standard.
the creativ benefits of live are pretty worn out after 8 years.. as loop based music is....

[knotkranky]

@leedsquietman

rock on brah, i'm right behind ya, lol.

But my point is, if ya got an HD rig, yer charging HD prices. Yer in the black pretty quick, then cha ching.

Anyway, engineers come in all sizes, no need to dredge up words from the gobblins

[3phase]

protools can be quite cheap... le is not bad at all..
and being a fast operator can earn you more jobs than beeing a live wizzard

[UKRuss]

heh hehhhh, DAW geeks. Only slightly more interesting than PC geeks.

[Kevin Rothi]

I hate Pro Tools so much. Even just navigating around the timeline is aggravating for me.

[UKRuss]

same reason i cant get into Logic/cubase/whatever...Jesus, I cant think of a more dull way to make music.

Live is fun, simple as that.

[Emissary]

I used a pro tools rig in Uni for three years, very good for recording run of the mill guitar bands and boring shit, but for anything creative i'd use live,reason or fruity loops. These programs are built for composers where as pro tools is built for engineers. End of story

[cacti]

yup, if he really has been part of a top 40 song, then you need to learn something, before discussing app A vs app B, cause he knows what it boils down to. and you are apparently not.

besides, just ignore, if it really bothers you.

let me clarify, he didnt have anything to do with the song, he interned at a studio who had a top 40 song.