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Italian Dj fined for using MP3's
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afaik it's the same in the Netherlands, you are *not* allowed to make a copy for personal use, so you also cannot play mp3 copies of your purchased music....
furthermore: what to do when you make a remix of your own and burn it to CD-r ? is that illegal or not?
the stupid thing is: the club/venue-owner already pays money for playing music in public, then when you purchase blank CD-r's you already pay an amount for copying music to it (just like cassette tapes back in the days) .... all in all there is already a lot of money flowing to the buma/stemra (or whatever it's called in your country) organisation *before* there is even made a music purchase..the fuckedup thing is that most clubs/DJ's don't list what music they were playing, so all the money that goes into these organisations is redistributed to the biggest artists who are already making the most money..... while the small artists keep on struggling..... what use is it for a producer who's music is only released on 12" vinyl of max 2000 pieces worldwide to become a member of these organisations? you only pay money to them , and receive almost nothing... the only time it pays back is when your track is licensed for a big-audience, f.e. like a commercial or a mix-album ....
of course it's still the right thing to do to purchase the music, imho the best way for niche-markets like dance-music for DJ's would be that labels would additionally sell MP3's directly from their website and get the most profit of it ... but then you get the problem again: can i play this MP3? how can i prove i legally purchased it? etc.etc.
Olaf
furthermore: what to do when you make a remix of your own and burn it to CD-r ? is that illegal or not?
the stupid thing is: the club/venue-owner already pays money for playing music in public, then when you purchase blank CD-r's you already pay an amount for copying music to it (just like cassette tapes back in the days) .... all in all there is already a lot of money flowing to the buma/stemra (or whatever it's called in your country) organisation *before* there is even made a music purchase..the fuckedup thing is that most clubs/DJ's don't list what music they were playing, so all the money that goes into these organisations is redistributed to the biggest artists who are already making the most money..... while the small artists keep on struggling..... what use is it for a producer who's music is only released on 12" vinyl of max 2000 pieces worldwide to become a member of these organisations? you only pay money to them , and receive almost nothing... the only time it pays back is when your track is licensed for a big-audience, f.e. like a commercial or a mix-album ....
of course it's still the right thing to do to purchase the music, imho the best way for niche-markets like dance-music for DJ's would be that labels would additionally sell MP3's directly from their website and get the most profit of it ... but then you get the problem again: can i play this MP3? how can i prove i legally purchased it? etc.etc.
Olaf
do you think Berlusconi cares? as long as his big business friends get richer, he's happymikemc wrote:
Now, I'm all for making people who use music to make money pay for the music they use, but it seems that this sort of fine does not get that to happen (does it?). Also, what this sort of law works towards is to "squelch" the fledgling buy/download/burn distribution channel that a lot of independent artists support and which avoids a lot of the overhead of the mainstream distribution channels (resulting in more widely distributed and affordable music).
IMO they would have to proove that you didn't... that's the normal procedure: innocent untill prooven guilty. besides, they only have to check your credit card bills to see you paid for it.olafmol wrote:afaik it's the same in the Netherlands, you are *not* allowed to make a copy for personal use, so you also cannot play mp3 copies of your purchased music....
furthermore: what to do when you make a remix of your own and burn it to CD-r ? is that illegal or not?
the stupid thing is: the club/venue-owner already pays money for playing music in public, then when you purchase blank CD-r's you already pay an amount for copying music to it (just like cassette tapes back in the days) .... all in all there is already a lot of money flowing to the buma/stemra (or whatever it's called in your country) organisation *before* there is even made a music purchase..the fuckedup thing is that most clubs/DJ's don't list what music they were playing, so all the money that goes into these organisations is redistributed to the biggest artists who are already making the most money..... while the small artists keep on struggling..... what use is it for a producer who's music is only released on 12" vinyl of max 2000 pieces worldwide to become a member of these organisations? you only pay money to them , and receive almost nothing... the only time it pays back is when your track is licensed for a big-audience, f.e. like a commercial or a mix-album ....
of course it's still the right thing to do to purchase the music, imho the best way for niche-markets like dance-music for DJ's would be that labels would additionally sell MP3's directly from their website and get the most profit of it ... but then you get the problem again: can i play this MP3? how can i prove i legally purchased it? etc.etc.
Olaf
btw AFAIK it is legal in the Netherlands to make 1 copy for personal backup.
maybe, but can you also take that with you and play it out in public in a legal way?louZ wrote:IMO they would have to proove that you didn't... that's the normal procedure: innocent untill prooven guilty. besides, they only have to check your credit card bills to see you paid for it.olafmol wrote:afaik it's the same in the Netherlands, you are *not* allowed to make a copy for personal use, so you also cannot play mp3 copies of your purchased music....
furthermore: what to do when you make a remix of your own and burn it to CD-r ? is that illegal or not?
the stupid thing is: the club/venue-owner already pays money for playing music in public, then when you purchase blank CD-r's you already pay an amount for copying music to it (just like cassette tapes back in the days) .... all in all there is already a lot of money flowing to the buma/stemra (or whatever it's called in your country) organisation *before* there is even made a music purchase..the fuckedup thing is that most clubs/DJ's don't list what music they were playing, so all the money that goes into these organisations is redistributed to the biggest artists who are already making the most money..... while the small artists keep on struggling..... what use is it for a producer who's music is only released on 12" vinyl of max 2000 pieces worldwide to become a member of these organisations? you only pay money to them , and receive almost nothing... the only time it pays back is when your track is licensed for a big-audience, f.e. like a commercial or a mix-album ....
of course it's still the right thing to do to purchase the music, imho the best way for niche-markets like dance-music for DJ's would be that labels would additionally sell MP3's directly from their website and get the most profit of it ... but then you get the problem again: can i play this MP3? how can i prove i legally purchased it? etc.etc.
Olaf
btw AFAIK it is legal in the Netherlands to make 1 copy for personal backup.
Olaf
So somebody spends a few months putting together a collection of electronic compositions, goes to perform them using a laptop, and then should expect to be prepared to get dragged into court to prove the case that this is what happened?i guess if you take the original with you to court that shouldn't be a problem
criminy. sometimes i think everyone that can should stop making any music, and let people find solace and excitement in the sound of lawyers and politicians farting.
UTENZIL a tool... of the muse.
hi friends,
here in italy, for every media you have, you need a particular stamp from the copyright society, the siae, otherwise it's pirate.
"Hey you, in the gondola-- you gotta license to sing that song?? Then shut the hell up... no, don't care if they're on their honeymoon, zip it!" *sigh*near as i can tell freaking music was practically invented in italy... this is sad.
UTENZIL a tool... of the muse.
I think this is typical in Italy.
I played at a friends wedding in Milan a few years ago (mostly Vinyl Rip CDRs ) and was told by the sound engineer at the end of the night that I had to fill in a form listing everything I had played (by that time i couldn't even write my own name, let alone ABBA or Chaka Khan!) Luckily a friend there was a lawyer and she said just don't bother, keep avoiding the question and he'll stop asking, which he did. I've still got the form around somewhere.
Probably the DJ should have just bribed someone, or will, I mean, has he actually paid the reported amount as his fine yet ???
G.
I played at a friends wedding in Milan a few years ago (mostly Vinyl Rip CDRs ) and was told by the sound engineer at the end of the night that I had to fill in a form listing everything I had played (by that time i couldn't even write my own name, let alone ABBA or Chaka Khan!) Luckily a friend there was a lawyer and she said just don't bother, keep avoiding the question and he'll stop asking, which he did. I've still got the form around somewhere.
Probably the DJ should have just bribed someone, or will, I mean, has he actually paid the reported amount as his fine yet ???
G.
geralds wrote:I think this is typical in Italy.
I played at a friends wedding in Milan a few years ago (mostly Vinyl Rip CDRs ) and was told by the sound engineer at the end of the night that I had to fill in a form listing everything I had played (by that time i couldn't even write my own name, let alone ABBA or Chaka Khan!) Luckily a friend there was a lawyer and she said just don't bother, keep avoiding the question and he'll stop asking, which he did. I've still got the form around somewhere.
Probably the DJ should have just bribed someone, or will, I mean, has he actually paid the reported amount as his fine yet ???
G.
the funny(?) thing is that the most efficient and convenient way to produce playlists of songs you played during a set is by actually using software and digital audio files, where you can easily export your playlist to a log-file and print or mail it to the venue-owner.....
Olaf
of course, but the thing is not that simple..... because when you have bought it on vinyl or CD, but want to play it as MP3 using a laptop....is that legal or not? it seems in some countries it is, in others it's not.... and what if you have downloaded a legal MP3, can you play that out without any problems?hambone1 wrote:If you're gonna play it, buy it. It's that simple.
From a poor ex-musician who's now resorting to DJing to make a living.
it seems it's time for a global (or at least european) law on how to handle this kind of thing
Olaf
