So is there any progress on the loudness front?

[håkan bråkan]

+1

Great idea about standardising the -14 dB bit. Problem is how do you regulate it?

There are a lot of people making music at home pushing it hard. However there are not too many people making films at home that are getting public exposure in the same way without regulation.

For those who just upload the tracks on the internet it will be quite hard to regulate yes, but for all official releases with bar code it should be possible to demand info (as well as artist name, company etc.) about the mastering level in SPL or dBFS as a tag in the release. I'm not sure about the best way to implement it, but in order to be able to have calibrated playback when listening (enjoy the piece at mastering level, or phon corrected if listening at other sound levels), it would only be needed some tag or plain integer in the digital medium.

[SubFunk]

+1

Great idea about standardising the -14 dB bit. Problem is how do you regulate it?

There are a lot of people making music at home pushing it hard. However there are not too many people making films at home that are getting public exposure in the same way without regulation.

For those who just upload the tracks on the internet it will be quite hard to regulate yes, but for all official releases with bar code it should be possible to demand info (as well as artist name, company etc.) about the mastering level in SPL or dBFS as a tag in the release. I'm not sure about the best way to implement it, but in order to be able to have calibrated playback when listening (enjoy the piece at mastering level, or phon corrected if listening at other sound levels), it would only be needed some tag or plain integer in the digital medium.

i don't know, man... this honestly sounds like the death of music to me... i think we could have established something like that in 1933... make all records equal

maybe, i don't understand what you are actually after [i can't follow the sense of it], but this is what it sounds like to me...

[håkan bråkan]

Death to music? It's quite the opposite. What I mean is the possibility for the listener to enjoy the music at the sound level it was intended by the artist/producer, or if he wants to listen at another volume, he'll be able to enjoy it with the full spectrum then as well, by correcting for the human ear, i.e. phon correction (fletcher-munson etc.), but then you have to know the sound level when the record was mastered, or use a standard, which is the way it's handled in movies. I'm quite a perfectionist when it comes to audio though, but the human hearing behaves significantly different depending on sound level, and when everything is mastered with different RMS plus that I don't know the actual sound pressure when it was mastered, it makes the experience totally random.

To me the calibration is the next step really, quite far away from today where the compression is the biggest problem, but you could solve both problems with the same solution.

I have a calibrated/corrected setup at home, which works really great for movies, but when I try to use phon correction for music it's completely hopeless, it's only classical music and real hifi releases it works for as it is today.

[SubFunk]

OK, now i understand more what you are on about...

still i am totally against a 'standard' regarding this issue... a thing i see also as being very difficult is that for movies (that is why i think it does not make any sense to compare in the first place) you have the standard for theaters... cinema theaters all have pretty decent quality and well setup sound systems... which makes sense.

i hardly know anyone anymore having even a half decent stereo at home, it's either home studio freaks with usually rather bad monitoring or total plastic crap run over a PC...

the culture of just listeners / music enthusiasts really nearly disappeared at least around here you really don't find people investing / having good stereos at home anymore... but iPOD docking stations or as i said plastic shit connected to there laptops instead...

EDIT: in other words what i mean by that is what tarekith earlier on already said, that people in audio will still push it as much as they can to be as loud as possible on iPods and plastic bombers...

[Anubis]

For an example of a very pleasantly-produced track that's also easy on the ears, just click here!

[hossegor]

did anyone listen to the DJ Hell feat Puff Diddy - The Dj (Deetron RMX) ???

i bought it on beatport, it sounds so übrlimited over the top its ridiculous...... my ears are bleeding lol

[pepezabala]

[quote="SubFunk"]
i hardly know anyone anymore having even a half decent stereo at home, it's either home studio freaks with usually rather bad monitoring or total plastic crap run over a PC...
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uuh, I so agree ... I probably had my best Hifi-system back then when I was recycling my Daddie's old receiver and the self-built-loudspeakers of a friend of the family. That was equipment of the 70s ...

Today I have decent monitors in the studio (where I actually play, but rarely listen to music) and at home I use some crap powered PC-speaker/subwoofer connected to the headphonejack of my laptop.

[josephjobling]

i hardly know anyone anymore having even a half decent stereo at home, it's either home studio freaks with usually rather bad monitoring or total plastic crap run over a PC...

uuh, I so agree ... I probably had my best Hifi-system back then when I was recycling my Daddie's old receiver and the self-built-loudspeakers of a friend of the family. That was equipment of the 70s ...

Today I have decent monitors in the studio (where I actually play, but rarely listen to music) and at home I use some crap powered PC-speaker/subwoofer connected to the headphonejack of my laptop.

i don't Know - i'm a hi fi freak - love my beast of a system - i do think it's becoming less and less tough, no one is buying seperates just speakers for the lappy.