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radib · Post by **radib** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:09 am

wanna stay punk, never be one of this stupid "wanna be producer"-flood.

Nokatus · Post by **Nokatus** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:17 am

wanna be producer, never be one of this stupid "wanna stay punk" -flood.

radib · Post by **radib** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:49 am

Nokatus wrote:wanna be producer, never be one of this stupid "wanna stay punk" -flood.

you did this awesome trick very well. carry on!

Nokatus · Post by **Nokatus** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:44 am

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:42 am

Nokatus wrote:
wilxon wrote:
smutek wrote: They did. Read through the earlier posts.
No,
he said they give free upgrades to people who are of particularly good help.
B0unce gives the impression that he did not get L7 for free, when he was of good help.
Go back and read the post smuteck
Huh?

Here's what Amaury said about a refund:

Amaury wrote:B0unce: if you do not like our way of doing things, and are not happy with what you bought, or our way to deal with it, feel free to ask for a refund. We've can offer a refund to people not happy with the product they bought

We are not talking about REFUND

read it HUH!

We are talking about getting a free upgrade because bounce did not want a refund - he wanted a working copy of sampler which the only way was to have L7.

Here's what Amaury said about a free upgrade starting with the very next word after your quote:

Amaury wrote:and we also offer free products to someone who is particularly helpful, at occasions.

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:47 am

Maybe i could have worded my original post better to save confusion

Nokatus · Post by **Nokatus** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:48 am

Maybe you should use the AND/OR logical operator only when you mean it, then

Edit: Heh, looks like you thought of that before I posted, too.

wilxon wrote:Maybe i could have worded my original post better to save confusion

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:03 am

agreed,:D

chrysalis33rpm · Post by **chrysalis33rpm** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:22 pm

Nokatus wrote:wanna be producer, never be one of this stupid "wanna stay punk" -flood.

rozling · Post by **rozling** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:05 pm

ilia wrote:Sampler ... is clearly inferior to Kontakt in features (WHERE'S GRANULAR??)

WTF is GRANULAR?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:16 pm

rozling wrote:
ilia wrote:Sampler ... is clearly inferior to Kontakt in features (WHERE'S GRANULAR??)
WTF is GRANULAR?

it's one of the 3 basic types of synth, AM, FM and granular
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granular_synthesis

it treats audio like tiny slices instead of a whole waveform.

edit - I forgot wavetable synths.

rozling · Post by **rozling** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:44 pm

I know what granular synthesis is (more or less), but I thought ilia was referring to some rad feature in Kontakt I didn't know about. Actually it turns out he was, because this has made me do some very simplistic little experiments with kontakt which sound bitchin!

And Sampler doesn't granular synthesis for repitching etc? I would've thought that would go without saying! I presumed all the different warp modes were available within it - glad I didn't shell out so!

lezef · Post by **lezef** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:38 pm

Hi,

I think Bounce is really angry about this upgrade (and not really UPDATE)
And on some points, I'm agree with him. Since LIVE 5.2, computers are running under dual core and there's a bunch of mistakes in it. Please, be carefull : nothing can be perfect at the first time !
But... If I have to buy Live 7 because since LIVE 4 there's still few 'bugs' into Live's engine, I've spend more than 700 € of upgrades just to make music on it. And use it on live gigs. I brought also Sampler, a t-shirt, 2 manuals and few plugins to use it !
And there is the same problems of optimization, codes & lags... I think it's quite unfair for Ableton's customers !
And I'm also conscious about the amount of work. But isn't it frustrating that Ableton's developpers spend their time on new pluggins (that customers have to buy as an 'addition') despite improving the code, put some new stuff in the internal engine, forget Cyclin'74 collaboration (which can be more interesting than pseudo-ANALOG, STRINGS or anything which already exists in the actual market) ?
Well, there is NO cult to have for a DAW. Live is NOT a religion, just a tool to make sounds and music. And all those words are writing directly to Ableton's office, not for Fans ! All I want to read into this forum is quiet discussion with people at the Office, not with members of a stupid church !
Love & respect,

ilia · Post by **ilia** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:15 pm

rozling wrote:I know what granular synthesis is (more or less), but I thought ilia was referring to some rad feature in Kontakt I didn't know about. Actually it turns out he was, because this has made me do some very simplistic little experiments with kontakt which sound bitchin!

And Sampler doesn't granular synthesis for repitching etc? I would've thought that would go without saying! I presumed all the different warp modes were available within it - glad I didn't shell out so!

right, I'm just talking about Kontakt's time machine/tone machine stuff, it's based on granular resynthesis (just like Live's original elastic audio concept!). I think it would have been very useful esp. for Simpler (taking one sample and being able to dynamically manipulate its playback rate goes a long way) and find its lack to be a bewildering omission.

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:06 pm

lezef wrote:Hi,

I think Bounce is really angry about this upgrade (and not really UPDATE)
And on some points, I'm agree with him. Since LIVE 5.2, computers are running under dual core and there's a bunch of mistakes in it. Please, be carefull : nothing can be perfect at the first time !
But... If I have to buy Live 7 because since LIVE 4 there's still few 'bugs' into Live's engine, I've spend more than 700 € of upgrades just to make music on it. And use it on live gigs. I brought also Sampler, a t-shirt, 2 manuals and few plugins to use it !
And there is the same problems of optimization, codes & lags... I think it's quite unfair for Ableton's customers !
And I'm also conscious about the amount of work. But isn't it frustrating that Ableton's developpers spend their time on new pluggins (that customers have to buy as an 'addition') despite improving the code, put some new stuff in the internal engine, forget Cyclin'74 collaboration (which can be more interesting than pseudo-ANALOG, STRINGS or anything which already exists in the actual market) ?
Well, there is NO cult to have for a DAW. Live is NOT a religion, just a tool to make sounds and music. And all those words are writing directly to Ableton's office, not for Fans ! All I want to read into this forum is quiet discussion with people at the Office, not with members of a stupid church !
Love & respect,

I have to diagree with you my friend,

How dare you walk into the church of Abe and use such blasphemy,

Live is a program for making music created by the great ABleton, Creaters of all good, and Protectors of all that matters.

I give you 2 hail compressors and 4 eq eights and all should be forgiven son....

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