I've gotta sound off on the whole Live - MAC vs. PC thing...

[polyslax]

Plus you can only run your Zune with Windows!

[Tarekith]

I forgot about Time Machine, that's a HUGE bonus right there.

[AceLuby]

The cost arguement is pretty worthless.

Recently I bought a 13 MBP with 4 gb of ram and 500 gb hd for $1400. I tried to configure a $600 inspirion with the same specs including all the bells and whistles that come with a mac by default and I arrived at $1300. So yeah, the difference was insignifant. The illusion is caused because Mac computers come with with more fundamental stuff by default.

Core Audio insignificant with another sound card?

Someone try to sync Ableton and Renoise at the same, transferring between all of them, all while being able to record into any of them at any time without downloading a ton of bizzare software and get back to me to tell me how you did. We can compare our methods.

We could do the same experiment syncing two networked computers together.

Could you expand on the $700 worth of stuff you bought for your PC to make it up to snuff w/ your mac? Seems like a lot to me.

I just bought a 2.2Ghz intel core duo, dedicated graphics card, 17" monitor, 300 GB HDD for $800 w/ a bag. With my already purchased audio interface I'm running Live seamlessly.

That being said it seems like what you are doing is far more complex than my simple 'record into Live and output the loops'. For what you are doing it probably is worth paying double the price so that you can sync to other machines, other software, or anything else you want to do more simply. For me, and most newbies who just want ableton to run smoothly, spending twice as much on a computer that will do the exact same thing is just throwing money away.

[beats me]

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[IP]

i bet this topic can go up to 100 pages

[nebulae]

Windows 7 x64 RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[KrisM]

Pretty much every Mac vs PC thread is a useless dick-wagging fest. Almost as useless, but not quite, as posting that they are.

[McQ714]

I forgot about Time Machine, that's a HUGE bonus right there.

someone care to explain the difference between Time Machine and Windows backup?

what exactly do you need a backup program to accomplish? Windows backup works great for me... and guess what? i've never needed to rely on it.

Tarekith, you have tremendous skills, but don't think for one second you couldn't have gotten those without a Mac.

and as far as Macs being in all the schools... that is because for the last decade, Macs were forced upon the industry due to Windows 98/2000/ME instability and Vista's early problems. dealing with issues on one computer is easy but dealing with issues on 20 or more computers... turns out that's not so easy!

my computer.. no issues. so unless you can cause some for me aside from the digidesign claims that Live sucks thread, which is easily managed by task manager, then there is "zero" validity to your claims that Macs are better than PCs.

i agree that the octo-core mac pro is a strong computer but it is only strong because it is octo-core. if i had the ability to run 2 overclocked AMD quad cores, it would definitely beat the Mac Pros numbers on the performance test.

it is definitely a personal preference of which computer you are going to use. PC has never done me wrong and i will continue to spend less money for more performance. so enjoy your free copy of Garage Band and the rest of your iLife software because you got sold Apple's marketing scheme. Justin Long owns your ass!!!

[derzai]

[SubFunk]

Tarekith, you have tremendous skills, but don't think for one second you couldn't have gotten those without a Mac.

this shows clearly that some folks don't want to understand the point of this discussion...

probably because if they would they would have to admit.

[SubFunk]

that looks like windows to me... brings you from point A to B just like others.

[nebulae]

Just to get serious for one second (before going back to being a total ass, that is)

1. I've never had an issue with any of the PCs I've built in the past 10 years.
2. Never a trojan that my virus protection didn't thwart and destroy...meaning zero infection or infiltration.
3. Always cheaper than a mac by about 40-50%.
4. Always faster than an equally speced mac, especially with Live.
5. More options with software and hardware.
6. Ability to swap critical components without having to buy a whole new computer. Last year, new drives and ram. Some months ago, swapping the chip to a quadcore. And now, new video card.
7. Windows 7 is f-ing OUTSTANDING.

I have no doubt that OSX is excellent, and no doubts that the hardware goes thru ridiculous quality control. But I have a hard time making blanket statements like "macs are better" when my personal experience for over a decade is not the case.

[McQ714]

Tarekith, you have tremendous skills, but don't think for one second you couldn't have gotten those without a Mac.

this shows clearly that some folks don't want to understand the point of this discussion...

probably because if they would they would have to admit.

this shows clearly that some folks are too chicken shit to directly address someone else's comments and therefore, need to indirectly call them idiots.

ok... SubFunk, what's the point of this discussion? you're the fucking genius here.

what don't i understand? what is it that you think i should be admitting???

you struggle!!!

[UKRuss]

Admit that macs are the best. ADMIT IT! SAY IT! SAAAYYYY IIIITTTT!

simples.

[knotkranky]