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^ right?

This is the worst naming ever. Nice going Eric.

citizenchris099 wrote:

beats me wrote:

H20nly wrote:@ beats me

Yes.

Thanks for confirming. I just think programming a bass line to sound natural by banging away on a keyboard and then editing parameters after the fact would be a pain in the ass, although I know some people work and think that way.

At the same time you could probably learn to play most bass lines on a real bass after about week from picking up the instrument for the first time, and it would probably be a lot more expressive. Seriously easy instrument to play in most scenarios.

This statement assumes that everyone using Trilogy/Trillion are programing and quantizing their bass lines. I can't speak for everyone using the product but I rarely program note for note anything and I hardly ever quantize.
I play/record my bass lines on my keyboard in real time. Am I supposed to believe that I can't be expressive on a keyboard?
What software like Trilogy/Trillion have done is expand the sound palette of the keyboard instrument...in the same way that electric pianos and synths did. Sample instruments give us (expressive) keyboard players access to many more sounds than previously possible.

If you're that good of a keyboard player then rock on!!

A real bass still sounds better than a fake one. period.

I don't know about beats me's play in a week theory (unless you have played bass or guitar at least a little before) but you can grab bass chops pretty quick if you hit record with a general idea in mind and then slice/loop to taste.

As for how much money you have to spend on equipment... if you're hooking your keyboard up via MIDI and seriously have no 1/4 inputs okay... but if you have just one, then all you need is a bass and a cable to start with. You might need a pre-amp depending on your interface, but some doubling of tracks could alleviate that in the short term.

You're pretty much never finished buying gear. Even if you think you are*

so for $300.00 I still stand by my previous post with a firm YES.


*disclaimer: death voids this assertion.

Most people aren't trying to bang out Primus songs so I stand by my statement that bass is the easiest to play compared to other traditional instruments.

If people like to do everything within the computer then I'm not going to argue with them, was waiting for the "You can't bust out a bass on a train" argument.

But I would in full sincerity like to hear the tracks by people on here defending it and using it, not to judge, but to hear it in action and not a demo done by the developer.

Bust out this bass, bitches!

http://nebulae.bandcamp.com/track/all-m ... ong-to-you

H20nly wrote:
If you're that good of a keyboard player then rock on!!

A real bass still sounds better than a fake one. period.

I don't know about beats me's play in a week theory (unless you have played bass or guitar at least a little before) but you can grab bass chops pretty quick if you hit record with a general idea in mind and then slice/loop to taste.

As for how much money you have to spend on equipment... if you're hooking your keyboard up via MIDI and seriously have no 1/4 inputs okay... but if you have just one, then all you need is a bass and a cable to start with. You might need a pre-amp depending on your interface, but some doubling of tracks could alleviate that in the short term.

You're pretty much never finished buying gear. Even if you think you are*

so for $300.00 I still stand by my previous post with a firm YES.


*disclaimer: death voids this assertion.

Unless you know someone who is giving away free upright acoustic and electric guitars I don't see how you can not see the value of a sample instrument like Trilogy/Trillion.
A cheap (and I do mean CHEAP) upright bass alone will run you around $500
Thats not to mention the fact that Trilogy offers Two different models.
I've lost count on how many different electric basses are included plus all the synth bass patches.

^ yeah I'd like to hear it in a real world scenario. I'm curious to hear the translation in action.citizenchris099 sounds like a real keyboard player as opposed to someone who is using a keyboard to make sounds and loops which in the end is just like playing clips in sequence. There's a huge difference to playing a track straight through vs. looping bits.

citizenchris099 wrote: A cheap (and I do mean CHEAP) upright bass alone will run you around $500
Thats not to mention the fact that Trilogy offers Two different models.
I've lost count on how many different electric basses are included plus all the synth bass patches.

it can offer 1000 models but if they don't sound convincing they're just digital wannabes

I was talking about a standard bass.

I actually don't think that upright should be faked. To me thats insulting both to the instrument and the genres that use it. I say either sample one, get someone to play one or move on. That's a personal taste issue that I have though so I really don't feel like arguing it.

H20nly wrote: I actually don't think that upright should be faked. To me thats insulting both to the instrument and the genres that use it. I say either sample one, get someone to play one or move on. That's a personal taste issue that I have though so I really don't feel like arguing it.

I agree completely. Most synths claiming to emulate upright bass just sound stupid (i'm looking at you Tension) So we are in complete agreement on this subject. Fortunately Trilogy/Trillion uses meticulously recorded samples of each and every instrument. And not simple recordings of notes. They record finger articulation, note off, slide and fret sounds...for ever instrument. Within the software you have the ability to control levels of each sound....though quite frankly the defaults sound great and I very rarely tweak all that much.
Is it as good as the real thing....of course not. But for $300 a simple laptop/keyboard geek can get that upright bass sound on his tracks....its a wonderful thing.

citizenchris099 wrote:Most synths claiming to emulate upright bass just sound stupid

yup and it scares me to think that some 13 year old is making his first beat today thinking that those shit sounding samples in almost every app that are labeled "bass - stand up" are going to be what he thinks the sound of the instrument is.

We need a little smiley that throws up to illustrate.

I'd like to hear some of your stuff...

H20nly wrote:

citizenchris099 wrote:Most synths claiming to emulate upright bass just sound stupid

yup and it scares me to think that some 13 year old is making his first beat today thinking that those shit sounding samples in almost every app that are labeled "bass - stand up" are going to be what he thinks the sound of the instrument is.

We need a little smiley that throws up to illustrate.

I'd like to hear some of your stuff...

As soon as I get home I'll post a few bass lines and or full tracks. I'm just a hobbyist...never claimed to be a pro but I do have fun making music.

^yeah, but see if you can recreate my All Bass track, where every sound came out of a bass.

nebulae wrote:^yeah, but see if you can recreate my All Bass track, where every sound came out of a bass.

lol prolly not. i'm not nearly that good. all my sounds come out of a laptop....im just lame like that

You're swimming toward some serious fail in this thread, BM, and you know it and you love it.

I'd make a long post about different kinds of basses and how different sounding they all are, how difficult it is to make them sound really good in recordings, how hard it is to make actual bass instruments sit in a mix, how a simple thing like a good DI makes the difference between heaven and hell, how miking bass cabs and double-bass is an art, etc. etc. etc.

F to the A to ill, son.

If someone can become a shitty bassist in a week, the same person can make shitty dance music with software in 5 minutes.

Hidden Driveways wrote: If someone can become a shitty bassist in a week, the same person can make shitty dance music with software in 5 minutes.

wait, did you just slam me, and I didn't even know it?!?!

polyslax wrote:

beats me wrote:At the same time you could probably learn to play most bass lines on a real bass after about week from picking up the instrument for the first time, and it would probably be a lot more expressive. Seriously easy instrument to play in most scenarios.

That may be the silliest thing you've ever said.

Not so fast! I've been playing for 6 days and I'm already on Geddy Lee's level. Victor Wooten, Les Claypool -- your time is almost over! >.>