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check my latest track Baby. it can be found here:
http://www.melodiefabriek.nl/en/muziek.asp

hey got some stuff if you want, you can check it out here:

Mindseye music

cheers
M.

Two Words:

K I N G T U B B Y

recognize!

AdamJay wrote:Two Words:

K I N G T U B B Y

recognize!

what?

you don't know who king tubby is?

awwwww!

sorry, yes I like DUB. But i know just a few names like Lee Perry..

I have to explain my post tittle about "DUB".. i mean "minimal dub" as more electronic you can but with dub essence.

yes but i consider King Tubby to be the first true producer, in the sense of what you and i and most people on this board consider to be a creative producer - not the Geffen Records style "Quincy Jones" set.

In fact i consider what he did with multiple reel to reels as the first real evidence of sampling, and his use of manual looping that material leads right into what Ableton Live has become today!

back then a "hifi" wasnt just a nice amp and loud speakers. it also consisted of at least 4 reel to reel tape recorder/players.
he took discarded studio instrument parts, dubbed them to a 2nd reel to reel, and then did your modern hip hop dj style double copies with tape decks! start one tape deck, start the other, fade back and forth and rewind one while the other is playing before you fade it back in so you have a continuous track of drums. record that to a 3rd reel to reel and theres your drum track.
then do the same thing with a bassline on 2 reel to reels, but mixing that overtop your third reel to reel that is playing the drum track.... record the result to the fourth reel to reel. repeat the process with vocals, guitars, and add your own live fx/eq tweaks at the same time. the final mix would have so many "dubbed" parts. for instance the original drum track would have been dubbed over from one tape to another at least 8 times by the time the final mix was complete.... thus the term "Dub"
these days we have FX that mimmick some of the rhythms of Dub, but it is very difficult to get that raw sound with drums that Tubby only got by taking the drums LITERALLY from Tape to Tape to Tape to Tape... to Tape To Tape to Tape and once more to Tape.

You can mimmick the technique with Ableton's resample feature... especially if you take the signal outside of the computer and through some tubes.. before going back into the computer.

ya just can't have "Dub" in the title of a thread without having Tubby there somewhere. Bro was the pioneer of not only Dub but modern Remix techniques. Was doing what we consider "Remix" today in the early 70's. and all of this has influenced how many of us work today.

=)

King Tubby really is ill...

I picked up a tape (!) of his years back and I remember it was the actualy tape was colored red green yellow and black. It had like dragons on it or something. Dead cool... and sounded nice too!

....check out his protege Scientist
now he was the shit!!!
he was filter sweeping basslines while most ableton users
were still doing wee wee in their nappys

Tubby is without a doubt fantastic
but I find Scientist way more innovative
& somehow he gravitates towards dubs of reggae tracks
that are so damn hooky...

whats the relevance of this little rant?
I just think if you are going to make dub influenced music
then you should go back to the first generation & know your roots

i love basic channel, rhythm & sound and all that
but I ABSOUTELY BET those dudes know
every >original< dub track out there

its a bit like if u start trying to imitate an imitation
with no nowledge of the original,
it may well be highly post-modern
but it may well also just come off a bit lame
to anyone whos know the real deal

ok while i'm on my high horse
it makes me smile, sadly, to hear people say
oh yeah i make dub music
& u check their shit & its like a one or two note quantized bassline
whats up with that?
again u check any of those original dub tracks
& bro! that bass is singing

u quantize your bass all u like
(and probably until its dead in the water)
& then check out the feel & soul of basslines
to practically anything Scientist mixed
& thats where the gold lies

but please note, thats just my humble opinion
no offence intended

btw the THINNER net label has some
very beautiful minimal electronic dub
http://www.thinnerism.com

i totally feel you. and i like Scientist alot, though i prefer his work with Tubby... the universal dub material.

but about knowing your roots... its essential.

"dubby" as an adjective irks me about as much as "tribal" or "jazzy".
Dub was just as much a culture as Tribal lifestyles and Jazz. and 9 times out of 10 when something is described as being "Dubby" it generally just has a tape delay on a few elements. To me thats as bad as calling anything with a rhodes piano in it "jazzy". Just as there are so many other aspects to jazz, especially the defining aspects like improvisation, Dub has so much more to it than Tape Delay.

I'm working on a project from Dec. till next June that will be a sort of recreation/resurrection of what i feel "True Dub" to be, and it doesn't even include reggae. You could even consider it Homage to the old processes of the 70's. To me, "True Dub" is a process of recording and creating... basically the first incarnation of what most of us on this board consider "production" today. Using my own sounds in the same way that Tubby, Scientist, and Mad Professor used what was at their disposal... but in the same constantly overdubbed copy of a copy of a copy way. My tools will be ableton live 4 for composition, sound design, and output/input recording. Focusrite Platinum Compounder, Drawmer DL241, and an old janked out MTX MX750 19" rack mixer will be my signal path for everything to be 'dubbed' through, plus the little things like unshielded cables i've found at pawn shops and what not. We'll see how it goes.

subbasshead wrote:
btw the THINNER net label has some
very beautiful minimal electronic dub
http://www.thinnerism.com

Absolutely wicked label.

If you want a REALLY deep dub(bish) tech mix check:

http://www.paxahau.com/sounds/2004/jmar ... anacea.ram

Mmmm....

Make sure you've got the woofers for it mind.


BC

yes! thinner is awesome..

im going to buy a T-shirt

gauss control wrote:yes! thinner is awesome..

im going to buy a T-shirt

Already done....green

Make sure you donate if you like something - let's make it worthwhile for these artists to keep releasing stuff on Thinner

BC

Sure...

my friend Wego has one


I'm the guy of the left

Cool....I've got the one with the stag on the front.

Have you checked out paxahau.com ?

I'm just listening to the Akufen set (sadly truncated cause someone spilt beer on the equipment !) - it's wicked.

And check the Paul Keeley set - hasn't been out of my Alpine for several weeks now. In danger of falling asleep at the wheel it's so deep

BC