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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by regretfullySaid » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:39 pm

self congratulatory
self righteous arrogant kids
is the vibe I mostly got as well. I also thought it was poor taste to use his kid. I noticed a short shot of their pimped vans. That picture reminds me of Robert Downey Jr in Natural Born Killers.
Reading arguments on Reddit and figure breakdowns, it doesn't seem to be too far off, but I think the cause isn't important now as much as their popularity in their eyes.
Everybody is jumping on their bandwagon, too. I see it on FB and print. There is mention of exercising caution towards their legitimacy but it's drowned in the hype. How long have they been trying to get Kony and he's still alive? This isn't Osama.

Anyobdy Human, you guys must have crossed paths. What's the conversation?
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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by anybody human » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:55 pm

shadx312 wrote:
Anyobdy Human, you guys must have crossed paths. What's the conversation?
Not sure what you mean. I just linked a couple of good reads on the subject.

Edit: Perhaps you were addressing jrathkopf.

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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by regretfullySaid » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:57 pm

Oops, yes I was.
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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by Machinesworking » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:59 pm

I don't know about you guys but I'm voting for him.

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Post by regretfullySaid » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:38 pm

n/m
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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by Machinesworking » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:01 pm

shadx312 wrote:n/m
? Kony would be better than what the republicans and democrats are offering, just sayin. :mrgreen:

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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by regretfullySaid » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:14 pm

at least he isn't full of shit
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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by Machinesworking » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:34 pm

I'm jaded to a degree, Kony is a sick fuck in a world of sick fucks. There's not enough money to be made to go after him, and no easy solutions. It took the US military ten years to find Bin Ladin in essentially a desert. Kony's in a jungle, having a stronger military isn't much of an advantage in a jungle, it's slow, heavy casualty fighting, and we're not that interested. Look their own government isn't that interested in investing all their time into it, and he's more or less out of action, not even in Uganda, and he needs a new job. :mrgreen:

Basically the world has larger concerns than one lone psychopath who's essentially cornered. Though if you're a self righteous white guy who likes to be "right", you can trump him up as the root of all evil and compare him to Hitler, which is a fucking sin even off the internet. :x

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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by regretfullySaid » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:06 pm

tired rant
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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by Machinesworking » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:51 pm

Jeez you have me wanting to defend western culture there! :lol:

People always try to disavow this, but in most terms, things are getting better:

The Draft is mainly a threat,
The police are less violent towards the underclasses,
Racism isn't written into the laws,
Globally there is nothing, not a single ethnic conflict that comes even close to racially charged WWII,
Culturally racism is seen as the exception, not the rule, people still are ethnic and racist, it's just not as accepted that they have the right to dog other cultures,
Your employers are far more responsible to make sure you don't die on the job, before it wasn't an issue really,
Germany and France are friends,
China and Russia get along,
Mostly, countries aren't involved in cold wars with each other,
In general the lowest class is in better shape than it was 100 years ago, across the world.

What we have now is access to all of it, all the information about every last bit almost of horrid stupid shit that people pull and did pull. The biggest advantage to living 100 years ago was how little you knew, you had little idea that the coal mines would kill you, that you would become crippled from the sewing factories, or that cigs caused cancer. You hadn't seen hundreds of actual dead bodies on TV and the internet and war was still a place to earn your glory. Serial killers were witches and vampires obviously, and rape wasn't mentioned at all.

I think like a lot of us you just wish mankind would grow up faster, but like many things it takes a lot of shitty mistakes and time to get there. Consider this too, I came to the conclusion that had I been born 400 years from now, I would probably have a whole different set of reasons why mankind is shit! :twisted:

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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by regretfullySaid » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:14 pm

more tired rant
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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by Machinesworking » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:57 am

shadx312 wrote:
Racism isn't written into the laws,

I really don't think that makes much a difference. Part of our system is about using and abusing loopholes and indirect forms of control ie segregation. Talk and print can say all they want, it will never be as valid as what's actually being done. If they all happen to match, well it's a miracle.
Well for one the amount of lynchings and killings is down, and when it happens it's heavily punished instead of the perpetrators given the lightest sentence they could. Seriously, there's little way to deny this simple fact, peopler were more racist 50-100-1000 years ago, and were more violently racist.
How many millenia does it take for humankind to make the same mistakes over and over?
We like to fool ourselves into thinking we're more civilized than we actually are and by denying it we become worse. Then there's the whole argument of what's civilized. An indigneous tribe may be more civilized than an oil company. Oh but because they live in the forest wearing grass skirts hunting with spears they must be retarded :roll: We're superior because we've got cars and concrete jungles and suits and potato chips and television derp derp derp!

Agree, but in this case tribal societies aren't in question, they work their shit out pretty democratically generally. World wide civilizations however took years to calm down, and still cannot calm down. We learn from mistakes unfortunately, WWI II etc. but even then we only slow it down to a 'cold' war.

I wouldn't; the source of the problems aren't different.
the source of the problems are simple, we're not good at big civilizations, we did OK at smaller units, but once we got to the cities and larger 'tribes' stage we lost it.
In the future or past? It could depends on the times vs ones mentality IF we're capable of having broken this cycle 400 years in the future. In this case it's about the times and the only "progress" I've seen is technology while mental/spiritual dissonance is at an all time high. That's part of the problem. The structures we've created are dissonant with our natural selves. Spritual imbalance = mental illness.
We think we're superior because we've progressed technologically while the other parts get neglected so now we have this imbalance and arrogance. You wouldn't rape your mom, shove trash up her pussy and poison her while feeling superior in the process but what the fuck do we do? We are collectively not capable of maintaining genuine positive intention once we reach a certain threshold of power. We have heaven on earth and just love to say "fuck you I'm superior" and feel empowered by destroying it; it's pathetic.
Just because we've advanced technologically doesn't mean we aren't in the dark ages. Mentally we're not that different from millenia ago and just because we still have thousand year old systems in place doesn't mean they're necassary or good.
Again, public executions of criminals isn't the norm, in fact executions aren't the norm, that, is progress. War crimes still go on, but it's not universally ignored like it was 400 years ago etc. The USA for instance, and China, Russia etc. we're all criticized heavily for actions that reek of colonialism, and mostly the rest of the world doesn't approve. War Crimes exist, which wasn't even a thought when the Romans were crucifying every last person in Carthage. Slavery is gone in direct form, and although inherited wealth and the obvious disparity it brings is still in place it's not universally accepted that the upper class is of a better quality of genetic stock. Things simply are not as bleak as they were 500 years ago. For instance I'm mostly Irish and I'm dammed sure that the quality of life of my great great grandfathers and mothers was beyond awful considering history. I would think that most all black americans would agree that while things still suck, it's much better to be alive now than 150 years ago when you were outright property. Things are improving, it's just at a glacial pace, which makes it hard to recognize.

I do have optimism and I think all the stress that's been going on is because these structures are not working and we're tired of it. The man has the power and has the advantage in fighting back but at some point justice prevails. More people are being proactive about the environment and social rights, despite the fact we shouldn't have had to deal with a lot of the problems and for so long in the first place.
I think now that generations are inherently tech-savvy with this technology and science that bullshit like religion is just a troll that will go away by being ignored. You gotta crush the coal to make a diamond and it ain't pretty but you gotta go through it. I do have faith in humankind, but the past couple thousand years up to the current general environment is really just fucking embarrassing.

Now, as I've written this drivel I've been feeling spiffy, so it's not like I'm sitting here all emo and hopeless; guess I just needed to take a shit.
Well the thing is maybe fortunately we don't have written history of the 150 thousand years previous to the last 6 or so. It might be even more embarrassing not less.
Again human life is valued at a higher level now than any other time in history, which is progress.
I do think that like most things that change, we're in a retrograde cycle, it's certainly not as productive as the WWII era or the 60's in terms of radical shifts in belief systems.
Some of that may be due to benign mind control devices like TV. It's not some conspiracy, just that TV is run by people who are essentially successful in the status quo, therefore they abhor any hint of change. IMO this is the next greatest enemy of evolution, that we're plugged in to a constant barrage of unnecessary wants and 'ethical' belief structures.

Ha! it's obvious that work is in a downward slump for me right now going off on this shit. :lol:

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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by regretfullySaid » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:01 am

I don't read it as going off, just presenting solid rational points to pretty general adolescent whining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Up-k4L ... re=related
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Re: MAKE KONY FAMOUS!

Post by Bagatell » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:38 am

Two House lawmakers on Tuesday introduced a resolution supporting efforts to counter the Lord's Resistance Army, hoping to build on the momentum created by a viral YouTube video spotlighting the atrocities of LRA leader Joseph Kony.

The resolution, introduced by Reps. Jim McGovern, D-Mass. and Ed Royce, R-Calif., calls for, among other things, expanding the number of regional forces in Africa to protect civilians and placing restrictions on individuals or governments found to be supporting Kony.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... -in-house/

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