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anonymouse wrote: In the last two decades women in the UK have developed phenomenally big asses in order to fit the large clothes sizes more commonly available in high street stores. Evolution is extremely responsive to a changing environment.

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Komplex wrote:I'm not going to get into politics and all that but to this day, I still don't know how anyone can exactly measure a global temperature increase of 1degF.

We really only have the last 200 years or so worth of proper scientific measurements to base this stuff on. The Earth has been active for billions of years and I'm sure it doesn't always remain at the same temperature range. Like anything in the universe, events would cycle.

You have to admit though that all the cars, factories, and clearcutting must have some impact. These fools that call themselves leaders deny there is any impact. That's fucking retarded.

I'll be the last person to say humans have figured climate change out, but they surely don't give a fuck if it is getting warmer because of human activities. They want to destroy the word so 'Jesus' will come back. No joke.

he's right

mike holiday wrote:around my house you can watch glaciers climb hills
they melt fast

no joke

True. For alot of sciences, like geology, climatology etc. Glaciers are know as a sort of early warning situation.

Fact is that they are melting, FAST. Some of them have lost as much as 80% of their volume! This happens because higher terrain, like mountains, are more sensitive to temperature change. In Swiss, its not 1 degree, its 2!
Plus, because of heavy industries, there's more dust in the air then there used to be. Snow reflects 80% sunlight, Ice only 60% and Ice covered with dust absorbs it all.

Short term effect is that the valleys are very furtile.
Long term effect is that when the glaciers are gone, so is the water.
This means all rivers that get their water from mountains, will dry up.
The Nile
The Amazone River
The Ganges

within 50 years, we'll have wars over water.

I don't care if its human cause or not, it's happening. We need deal with it.

braj wrote:They want to destroy the word so 'Jesus' will come back. No joke.

S'true, a relative of mine in the diplomatic service (lots of time in the middle east, he's not working at the moment because he's a "peace" worker) told me that the Neo-Con's close to Bush believe that Israel must be restored to it's biblical borders before Armageddon can happen and that the whole Iraq/Iran thing was part of that plan.

Scarey Shit

SimonPHC wrote:within 50 years, we'll have wars over water.

I don't care if its human cause or not, it's happening. We need deal with it.

That's funny, (or not), my favorite self made conspiracy theory has the US using the War on Drugs to invade Canada (specifically BC) in order to secure our water resources within the next 50 years.

They already got our power.

Guess we'll see

the US neednt take from Canada, they are quite willing to give us anything we want.

The Drug War is much more about cornering a market, in the name of Global safety...

Tell the world that Weapons move through the same markets, and you can take over any business. But now they have the monopoly, so they can set the price as high as they want. Only in that world, would pot cost more than gold.

I'm not going to get into politics and all that but to this day, I still don't know how anyone can exactly measure a global temperature increase of 1degF.

We really only have the last 200 years or so worth of proper scientific measurements to base this stuff on. The Earth has been active for billions of years and I'm sure it doesn't always remain at the same temperature range. Like anything in the universe, events would cycle.

They can research temperature changes in the Polar caps and shit can't they...

On one hand I'm like: mankind's destined to destroy itself anyway, so why even bother. As long as there's personal gain to be had by polluting, we are not going to stop untill it's much too late... If we don't kill eachother beforehand that is.

One the other hand, with all our technological advancements (if you would call it that) we might be able to still save the world and mankind. It would take a thorough change in mentalities though and judging the human character, I'm not too optimistic.

louZ wrote: They can research temperature changes in the Polar caps and shit can't they...

On one hand I'm like: mankind's destined to destroy itself anyway, so why even bother. As long as there's personal gain to be had by polluting, we are not going to stop untill it's much too late... If we don't kill eachother beforehand that is.

One the other hand, with all our technological advancements (if you would call it that) we might be able to still save the world and mankind. It would take a thorough change in mentalities though and judging the human character, I'm not too optimistic.

I HATE to agree with you on this but sadly I do Stupid humans.

well now the american repugs and the democraps are on the front page of a british paper talking about global warming, so i guess suddenly there is proof ! weird how that changed so quickly from last week...

4 US senitors were up here this last week (alaska) checking out the effects of global warrning and were all shocked that the evidence was so transparent.
(republocrats and demicains)> The 4 member group aggreed without a doubt that something needs to be done....the drawback the guy that handels all this in the Senit
(ted stevens)is also an alaskan and he is the FIrst and loudest voice saying that the science is not evidence, and he is adimately opposed against regulateing green house gasses. Of course this guy is stinking rich from developement and investments..

its funny how they say "special interst" groups are the ones who want the regulations when really it's the fat hand in the piggy bank that is against any regulations..

Yeah 'special interests' is such a load of crap. Funny how they manipulate the masses with simple, stupid phrases like that. I wonder what Orwell would think of it all.

chomsky calls it 'ideological warfare'
a very apt term
a lot of people have invested a lot of money in distorting certain words meanings...

trash wrote:chomsky calls it 'ideological warfare'
a very apt term

I had a strong kind of experience the other day, while discussing whith my mates at work. They were talking about "all the people" who lives on "us" by misusing the social security system, which is fairly strong here in Sweden.
This is a popular subject. Should we start spying on eachother, telling the authorities that mr X next door does not seem so sick after all, he painted his balcony yesterday but can't work in the paint store..?
Anyway, what I tried to say was:
Who has intererested us for this subject?
Discussing this subject, what is the subject we are drawn away from?
My answer, one of many possible, was: We are discussing this because there are forces benefitting from us not discussing their area of interest. And these may be: Money traders, the transglobal echonomy that influences the working conditions and the mental state etc in almost every society now in conjunction with fearful local politics and media, trying to cover up the whole shit.

// C

the word 'anarchy' is a good example
as is 'defence'

anarchy now means chaos instead of no government
and defence nows means attack instead of defence...

very clever but they dont fool me!

Yea, but:
We have to watch ourselves, so that we won't get trapped in "conspiracies".
I mean, we have to be flexible and at every moment be willing to ask us: From whom does this question/perspective/answer come? Who benefits? Who does not?

// C