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Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:53 am
by Ronkomane
Hello folks,
the downgrade to Ventura failed (not compatible with the M3), also to 14.1.2 seems not possible.
Here is an attempt to answer your questions:
- in an empty live session there are no problems.
- It seems to be mainly the plug-ins that are causing trouble (especially Native Instruments Complete (e.g. Analog Dreams, Guitar Rig, Komplete) and Reason Plugin).
- I work with two Quantum 2626 via Thunderbolt
- Here are the specs: Ableton 11.3.13., MacOs Sonoma 14.2., 96 Khz, 32 samples, 1.33ms global latency
If anyone else has any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them, otherwise I'll just have to wait for the next updates.
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:13 am
by Ronkomane
Supplement: The Ableton sounds also cause the CPU to skyrocket...
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:19 pm
by Machinesworking
Ronkomane wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:53 am
Hello folks,
the downgrade to Ventura failed (not compatible with the M3), also to 14.1.2 seems not possible.
Here is an attempt to answer your questions:
- in an empty live session there are no problems.
- It seems to be mainly the plug-ins that are causing trouble (especially Native Instruments Complete (e.g. Analog Dreams, Guitar Rig, Komplete) and Reason Plugin).
- I work with two Quantum 2626 via Thunderbolt
- Here are the specs: Ableton 11.3.13., MacOs Sonoma 14.2., 96 Khz, 32 samples, 1.33ms global latency
If anyone else has any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them, otherwise I'll just have to wait for the next updates.
Try 48Khz 128 buffer. Honestly 32/96 is still a brutal level for latency buffers, do you normally set things like this on your last machine? At least if you try 48/128 and it's not massively better you know there's something going wrong.
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:25 pm
by yur2die4
Do you have the same problems without your interface?
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:54 pm
by cids
Ronkomane wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:53 am
Hello folks,
the downgrade to Ventura failed (not compatible with the M3), also to 14.1.2 seems not possible.
Here is an attempt to answer your questions:
- in an empty live session there are no problems.
- It seems to be mainly the plug-ins that are causing trouble (especially Native Instruments Complete (e.g. Analog Dreams, Guitar Rig, Komplete) and Reason Plugin).
- I work with two Quantum 2626 via Thunderbolt
- Here are the specs: Ableton 11.3.13., MacOs Sonoma 14.2., 96 Khz, 32 samples, 1.33ms global latency
If anyone else has any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them, otherwise I'll just have to wait for the next updates.
Are you using all Apple Silicon native plugins?
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:31 pm
by Ronkomane
Try 48Khz 128 buffer. Honestly 32/96 is still a brutal level for latency buffers, do you normally set things like this on your last machine? At least if you try 48/128 and it's not massively better you know there's something going wrong.
Yes, you're right. But that's exactly why I got the M3 Max and the Quantums, to get 1.3mm latency. As 4 multi-instrumentalists, we want to record 16 channels at once. Presonus advertises its Quantum 2626 for exactly that. Both interfaces are connected with a Thunderbolt cable and cascaded according to the instructions.
And: With 48/ 128 it definitely gets better, then the latency is 5.83ms, which is too high. I could live with 48/32, that would be 2.50ms. 1.33ms would be better
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:32 pm
by Ronkomane
Are you using all Apple Silicon native plugins?
I am new to this topic. I'll have a look ...
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:32 am
by Calagan
Ronkomane wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:53 am
Hello folks,
the downgrade to Ventura failed (not compatible with the M3), also to 14.1.2 seems not possible.
Here is an attempt to answer your questions:
- in an empty live session there are no problems.
- It seems to be mainly the plug-ins that are causing trouble (especially Native Instruments Complete (e.g. Analog Dreams, Guitar Rig, Komplete) and Reason Plugin).
- I work with two Quantum 2626 via Thunderbolt
- Here are the specs: Ableton 11.3.13., MacOs Sonoma 14.2., 96 Khz, 32 samples, 1.33ms global latency
If anyone else has any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them, otherwise I'll just have to wait for the next updates.
Just for information I have some issues with NI plugins on a M1 pro / Sonoma.
But I don't have issues with Live native devices or Reason plugins... Strange.
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:08 pm
by Machinesworking
Calagan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:32 am
Ronkomane wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:53 am
Hello folks,
the downgrade to Ventura failed (not compatible with the M3), also to 14.1.2 seems not possible.
Here is an attempt to answer your questions:
- in an empty live session there are no problems.
- It seems to be mainly the plug-ins that are causing trouble (especially Native Instruments Complete (e.g. Analog Dreams, Guitar Rig, Komplete) and Reason Plugin).
- I work with two Quantum 2626 via Thunderbolt
- Here are the specs: Ableton 11.3.13., MacOs Sonoma 14.2., 96 Khz, 32 samples, 1.33ms global latency
If anyone else has any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them, otherwise I'll just have to wait for the next updates.
Just for information I have some issues with NI plugins on a M1 pro / Sonoma.
But I don't have issues with Live native devices or Reason plugins... Strange.
Nothing strange about that, NI state pretty clearly they haven't finished testing in Sonoma.
https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-on-macOS
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:06 am
by humpo72
for balance, I have live suite 11.3.13 running on an M2 Pro Mac mini which is on Sonoma 14.2.1. my Scarlett 8i6 is set to 48k & 128 samples. everything is buttery smooth
the bluetooth connection between my Mac & M&K on the other hand is garbage. I have my push 3 between the 2 and have needed to move the Mac for a better connection to avoid me launching something across the room in frustration
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:48 am
by Calagan
Machinesworking wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:08 pm
Calagan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:32 am
Ronkomane wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:53 am
Hello folks,
the downgrade to Ventura failed (not compatible with the M3), also to 14.1.2 seems not possible.
Here is an attempt to answer your questions:
- in an empty live session there are no problems.
- It seems to be mainly the plug-ins that are causing trouble (especially Native Instruments Complete (e.g. Analog Dreams, Guitar Rig, Komplete) and Reason Plugin).
- I work with two Quantum 2626 via Thunderbolt
- Here are the specs: Ableton 11.3.13., MacOs Sonoma 14.2., 96 Khz, 32 samples, 1.33ms global latency
If anyone else has any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them, otherwise I'll just have to wait for the next updates.
Just for information I have some issues with NI plugins on a M1 pro / Sonoma.
But I don't have issues with Live native devices or Reason plugins... Strange.
Nothing strange about that, NI state pretty clearly they haven't finished testing in Sonoma.
https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-on-macOS
Yep of course, but most of my plugins don't have "official" support for Sonoma and are working fine...
And even Reaktor or Kontak are "generally" ok : only some libraries are problematic (for exemple, Rounds in Reaktor, for any strange reason, is producing some strange random CPU peaks, but most Reaktor synths are ok on my system).
Given the mess that NI became, it seems the issues are as various as the users, and it's difficult to pinpoint an issue that everybody experience...
Re: Ableton 11 Slow on Mac M2 Sonoma
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:33 am
by Machinesworking
Calagan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:48 am
Machinesworking wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:08 pm
Calagan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:32 am
Just for information I have some issues with NI plugins on a M1 pro / Sonoma.
But I don't have issues with Live native devices or Reason plugins... Strange.
Nothing strange about that, NI state pretty clearly they haven't finished testing in Sonoma.
https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-on-macOS
Yep of course, but most of my plugins don't have "official" support for Sonoma and are working fine...
And even Reaktor or Kontak are "generally" ok : only some libraries are problematic (for exemple, Rounds in Reaktor, for any strange reason, is producing some strange random CPU peaks, but most Reaktor synths are ok on my system).
Given the mess that NI became, it seems the issues are as various as the users, and it's difficult to pinpoint an issue that everybody experience...
That's the key word though, "most", you're even self reporting Reaktor Ensembles that are acting up, i.e. they aren't ready for Sonoma.
Generally OK is not "tested and working fine in." It's the difference between being able to run 140 instances of Dive on the Mac Studio here, and not probably being about to run 20 instances of Rounds without the audio dying.