Scotland ‘the most violent country in the developed world’

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:18 pm

It makes me think, perhaps we should spread some stories to the local media.

"spontaneous love fests breaking out in the city centre, orgies of decadent sensousness! "

I would much prefer that to spread than violence.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:39 pm

peeddrroo wrote:makes me feel i have to go burn a car.
everybody does it. why not me?

where are the goddam matches?...

ahh peeddrroo I always had you down as a car burner, why resist the urge, GO BOY, DO IT, YOU KNOW THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD HAVE ALWAYS WANTED YOU TOO!

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:40 pm

I just noticed, this is the thread about Scotland, and it is almost all about France

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:43 pm

you're right, i'm gonna burn some scotish cars...

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:31 pm

yeah! L'Ecosse dans La Merde!

telekom · Post by **telekom** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:28 pm

noisetonepause wrote:"You can crush us, you can bruise us, but you'll have to answer to... oh-oh, the guns of les banlieues"?

Mais oui, mon ami. Whaddya think of the Camille version?

Scotland is getting mentioned a lot right now about getting the tops spot in Euro violence league. Apparently only Finland has a higher homicide rate than Scotland. And Glasgow (where I live) is worst of all. Gulp. Cos the Finns like to rehabilitate criminals without sending em to jail apparently. Even murderers. This true, any Finnish forum users?

Oh god this is too grim. Why don't some of you nice ableton forum users come to Glasgow and improve the gene pool?

12micsn1 · Post by **12micsn1** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:38 am

amo wrote:France has always had an outside policy that doesn't reflect the actual french society, but some beautifull ideas and principles. I'm sure the french state pushes not to be exposed too much in world news, and keep it's image of "the country of freedom of speech and enlightened culture"... Nothing more wrong than that. It's the past. It is a french tradition.

The French cant help make it in the news on this one. The French should read "The Clash of Civilization" an enlighten themselves. Then read "Eurabia" because it seems Muslims will one day force France into dhimmitude.

http://www.nysun.com/article/22526

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:32 am

12micsn1 wrote:
amo wrote:France has always had an outside policy that doesn't reflect the actual french society, but some beautifull ideas and principles. I'm sure the french state pushes not to be exposed too much in world news, and keep it's image of "the country of freedom of speech and enlightened culture"... Nothing more wrong than that. It's the past. It is a french tradition.

The French cant help make it in the news on this one. The French should read "The Clash of Civilization" an enlighten themselves. Then read "Eurabia" because it seems Muslims will one day force France into dhimmitude.

http://www.nysun.com/article/22526

yep, THE FRENCH should read a book together and enlighten themselves. In fact they should have a national reading day by force. I'm sure Dubbya would have a few spare garrisons to enforce it. Make those god damn froggies eat Freedom fries.

No wait, maybe just make every Johnny Foreigner read it! Including the whole nation of Africa!

Beatworld · Post by **Beatworld** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:29 am

I have just returned from France and Scotland.

Not much sign of violence in Edinburgh but Glasgow, now that has potential !!

As for Paris, there would be many areas in Paris right now that, apart from TV news, would have no idea the riots are going on.

Funny though because we live in the quiet backwater which is Perth.......and while we were away our friends teenage son was stabbed and was very lucky to survive....so I guess the moral of the story is that violence can get ya' anywhere !!

amo · Post by **amo** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:27 am

Beatworld wrote:I have just returned from France and Scotland.

Not much sign of violence in Edinburgh but Glasgow, now that has potential !!

As for Paris, there would be many areas in Paris right now that, apart from TV news, would have no idea the riots are going on.

Funny though because we live in the quiet backwater which is Perth.......and while we were away our friends teenage son was stabbed and was very lucky to survive....so I guess the moral of the story is that violence can get ya' anywhere !!

I agree with all you said here. I even live in one of the weirdest districts inside paris and nothing is to be felt about those riots. It's a different story.
Then the feeling of fear is again a different story, to each his own, and it could make a bridge to the thread about fear of death. Depends how much one is fatalist.
As for enlightment, I'd rather read the tibetan book of the deads and a couple of others.....
Kind regards,
amo

mosca · Post by **mosca** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:53 am

I think the lack of reporting outside France is because there is a theory that rioting can spread by others being informed it is happening elsewhere. This was developed during the Brixton / Toxteth / most places riots during the '80s and later in the US, (LA riots)

Since then the policy has been to downlplay rioting incase it sparks 'copycat' riots!

Ironic really, considering the general background of "does TV/video game violence inspire real world violence?"

this is the same for suicide cases as well

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:05 am

mosca wrote:
I think the lack of reporting outside France is because there is a theory that rioting can spread by others being informed it is happening elsewhere.
this is the same for suicide cases as well

as far as I know the suicide thing is for public moral. Opening the newspaper in the morning and having to wade through descriptions of 50 suicides could get both tedious and depressing....

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:18 pm

12micsn1 wrote:
amo wrote:France has always had an outside policy that doesn't reflect the actual french society, but some beautifull ideas and principles. I'm sure the french state pushes not to be exposed too much in world news, and keep it's image of "the country of freedom of speech and enlightened culture"... Nothing more wrong than that. It's the past. It is a french tradition.

The French cant help make it in the news on this one. The French should read "The Clash of Civilization" an enlighten themselves. Then read "Eurabia" because it seems Muslims will one day force France into dhimmitude.

http://www.nysun.com/article/22526

Yeah, Clash of Civilisations, Turner Diaries, End Of History And The Last Man, Il Principe, Crisis Of Islam, Mein Kampf, all the classics...

amo · Post by **amo** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:44 pm

http://www.nysun.com/article/22526

I've just read the article, what rubbish !
- What Iraq has to do with the riots happening in france ?
- What religion has to do with youth that doesn't respect any value but theirs, therefore don't giving a f**k to religion... They've broken with their parents and cultures long ago, being from french or foreign background.
- Those neighbourhoods are shared between, yes, immigrants, but non-immigrants as well, in greater number. The common thing is poverty, misery, lack of perspective.
- I don't believe that if france sends troops to Iraq it will solve the problems in its suburbs.

This is obviously a social problem, nothing to do with ethnic or religious or internationnal problem.
France screwed a great part of its population, the poors. There are more immigrants amongst poor than in the richest society, for sure, but in the poor people there are more non-immigrants than immigrants.
The enemy is poverty, class segregation, very wrong urbanism. Again those kids don't believe in any god but money.
I've never come accross The Sun, but wow, that's weird....

Sorry for posting that stuff on a music forum but reading at the Sun's article linked here made me jump. Let's return to more joyfull matters,

Kind regards,
amo

12micsn1 · Post by **12micsn1** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:25 pm

amo wrote:
http://www.nysun.com/article/22526
I've just read the article, what rubbish !
- What Iraq has to do with the riots happening in france ?
- What religion has to do with youth that doesn't respect any value but theirs, therefore don't giving a f**k to religion... They've broken with their parents and cultures long ago, being from french or foreign background.
- Those neighbourhoods are shared between, yes, immigrants, but non-immigrants as well, in greater number. The common thing is poverty, misery, lack of perspective.
- I don't believe that if france sends troops to Iraq it will solve the problems in its suburbs.

This is obviously a social problem, nothing to do with ethnic or religious or internationnal problem.
France screwed a great part of its population, the poors. There are more immigrants amongst poor than in the richest society, for sure, but in the poor people there are more non-immigrants than immigrants.
The enemy is poverty, class segregation, very wrong urbanism. Again those kids don't believe in any god but money.
I've never come accross The Sun, but wow, that's weird....

Sorry for posting that stuff on a music forum but reading at the Sun's article linked here made me jump. Let's return to more joyfull matters,

Kind regards,
amo

Sorry to point this out but if France has a public relations problem they need not spread there problem to the world because we much less under stand France as it. Maybe France needs to change in a hurry for obvious reasons that are occuring with these riots. Dont blame the media but France itself. The media loves to misinform the masses an my post represents that. my apologies. Maybe this websitesa below are little more on point to the problem.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1104/p06s02-woeu.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1027/p06s ... ml?s=widep