Live audio quality?

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:25 pm

Ok. I have googled "Ableton sounds"

and the very first page came up with these threads...

http://forum.groundmotion.com/viewtopic ... 53b9a45130
http://www.torq-dj.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 66fd212c7d
http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php ... w=previous
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... =996101242
/phpBB2

lol.. theres plenty of more. If you just google and hear what non abeton forum members have to say. Not one person says "Ableton sounds good" all the same... Ableton sounds like Ableton.. Ableton sounds thin. Sounds nothing like the rest.. etc yada yada yada

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:27 pm

It is very hard or almost impossible to do sourround in Live. Also the Icon console connects badly. There are so many things that you cannot do. But this is not what you want to hear, right? You boys act like religious fanatics. Why not realise that it is just software, and it is possible to use it for what ever you like to. Being "pro" means use your tools according to what they can do best for you.

If i were not with Ableton i would certainly not spend so much time here repeating the same things again and again.

R.

butch_d · Post by **butch_d** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:28 pm

hi robert please one question to you if you're still here...

what is the best way to mix 4 tracks in LIVE?
1 way (using 1 submix) = (1+2+3+4)
2 way (using 3 submixes) = ((1+2)+(3+4))

thx

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:30 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:Ok. I have googled "Ableton sounds"

and the very first page came up with these threads...

http://forum.groundmotion.com/viewtopic ... 53b9a45130
http://www.torq-dj.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 66fd212c7d
http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php ... w=previous
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... =996101242
/phpBB2

lol.. theres plenty of more. If you just google and hear what non abeton forum members have to say

All of this is hearsay. Why don't you just do the simple phase cancellation test and determine it for yourself? If the quality is so important to you, why do you rely on the word of others? If this were say, someone accusing somebody else of a crime, would you be content to rely on hearsay?

NB: Ableton forum memebrs are not merely requesting you to take our word for it - do the test your self and figure it out for yourself.

EDIT: Did you even read all those links? The Torq forum thread is titled :"WHY DOES Live 6.0.3 SOUND SO MUCH BETTER THEN TORQ ?" The MPC link isn't even about Ableton. The Groundmotion thread says exactly what we've been saying - warp, effects, and automation.

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:33 pm

No. Not hearsay you wanker. I was just looking for other complainers. And they are not so far away so it seems.

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:34 pm

"EDIT: Did you even read all those links? The Torq forum thread is titled :"WHY DOES Live 6.0.3 SOUND SO MUCH BETTER THEN TORQ ?""

oh dear.. That topic is the best part. just read, will ya

smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:35 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:Maybe we should all post our soundcard??

RME Fireface 400
No Problems here... I guess i need to do some serious testing on the weekend.

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:36 pm

smartass303 wrote:
Heinz Graaf wrote:Maybe we should all post our soundcard??
RME Fireface 400
No Problems here... I guess i need to do some serious testing on the weekend.

no but you dont use the hammerfall driver if Im correct... Fireface has different drivers.

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:40 pm

Wow. you call people here wankers, and you post a tread where people compare mastered CDs with a Live PA and a offline timestrech software for 700 bugs with a realtime timestrech in Live. Now this is what I call rocket science...

Heinz Graaf wrote:"EDIT: Did you even read all those links? The Torq forum thread is titled :"WHY DOES Live 6.0.3 SOUND SO MUCH BETTER THEN TORQ ?""

oh dear.. That topic is the best part. just read, will ya

smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:40 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:
smartass303 wrote:
Heinz Graaf wrote:Maybe we should all post our soundcard??
RME Fireface 400
No Problems here... I guess i need to do some serious testing on the weekend.
no but you dont use the hammerfall driver if Im correct... Fireface has different drivers.

Darn me,
i need to borrow the other guys multiface...

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:40 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:"EDIT: Did you even read all those links? The Torq forum thread is titled :"WHY DOES Live 6.0.3 SOUND SO MUCH BETTER THEN TORQ ?""

oh dear.. That topic is the best part. just read, will ya

Yeah, I read the thread...and your point is????

Whatever man, I'm not into your attitude. I hope you find what you're looking for.

Peace.

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:41 pm

bottom line: Im not the oly one who thinks abmeton sounds like... ableton

90's child · Post by **90's child** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:45 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:No. Not hearsay you wanker. I was just looking for other complainers. And they are not so far away so it seems.

Mate?

Svetla · Post by **Svetla** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:46 pm

Heinz. shut the fuck up already. what's your point? live doesnt sound good enough for you? then dont use it

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:47 pm

Baelton sounds like Ableton
Ableton has a retarded MIDI implementaion
Ableton doesnt do surround
Ableton has a wack reverb
Ableton isnt copatible with Waves
isnt compatible with BFD !!
isnt compatible with most vsts afaik

How can you seriously say that Ableton is a good up to par DAW??? Seriously...

Ever tried live midi recording on low latency with loop on?? hick hick anyone? Live 5 aswell as live 6. On Macbook pro aswell as on pIV.