finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta 'soon'...

[wildcon]

I'm pretty excited about this

I really like the look and layout. I've always preferred the control panel on the left.

I don't think there's going to be any lawsuits.

If you look at standard DAW's they are all pretty similar in look. Logic is the only one that's really fundamentally different visually.

Live changed the way a daw looks and functions. Others will follow suit.

I really hope they don't try and take this to court. I just hope they up their game!!!

Frankly it is doesn't continually crash and doesn't fill me with fear, every time I gig then I'm well up for it

[i3igTripplets]

I think the difference between this and say when live first came out...live was only used for audio clips and stems. Those producing in other platforms could just import their stems as they went along and as live developed more capabilities, they learned these capabilities as they went. Here we are running into a fully functioning almost live replica that people won't have 10 years to learn and immerse into the environment. I think early adapters in this setup will like what they see right off, or write it off just as fast. I do look forward to the competition and hope it pushes both companies to become something greater than they anticipated. The only real deal breakers for me would be a lack of ability to use current live-focused controllers (or lack of support from manufacturers). But I am really itching for a more in-sync hands on controller with a live-like environment similar to the way maschine works. If BW can pull this off...they may have a new customer.

Maybe because Live was my first DAW (ver6) and I've developed my wflow now, but I would think BW's best chance at success would be to come out as a full fledged DAW as opposed to a $100 Live lite in a sense.

[mr.ergonomics]

looks good, I really like some features I've requested since a long time!

- Simultaneous multitrack editing
- solid blocks in arrange view


but I have to say GUI wise it's a way too much a live rip off... even the eq looks the same (in the teaser video). it's not funny.

ps: could not care less about the jamming features...

[skatr2]

I think the difference between this and say when live first came out...live was only used for audio clips and stems. Those producing in other platforms could just import their stems as they went along and as live developed more capabilities, they learned these capabilities as they went. Here we are running into a fully functioning almost live replica that people won't have 10 years to learn and immerse into the environment. I think early adapters in this setup will like what they see right off, or write it off just as fast. I do look forward to the competition and hope it pushes both companies to become something greater than they anticipated. The only real deal breakers for me would be a lack of ability to use current live-focused controllers (or lack of support from manufacturers). But I am really itching for a more in-sync hands on controller with a live-like environment similar to the way maschine works. If BW can pull this off...they may have a new customer.

Maybe because Live was my first DAW (ver6) and I've developed my wflow now, but I would think BW's best chance at success would be to come out as a full fledged DAW as opposed to a $100 Live lite in a sense.

Maybe. Live was my first real attempt at music production (aside from some early attempts in 2003 on reason) and it wasn't until 8 that I took it serious. But after finally understanding how live and the hardware I have for it work together, BW would have a lot to get me to take it seriously as a competitor. Specifically a need to make any transition exceptionally smooth (both as a daw and performance machine), have every ounce of hardware capability, AND make the original into price no more than what a live 9 upgrade would be (or pretty damn close). Otherwise there would be no incentive to try something new.

Also theres a lot of people commenting on how it "looks"...kinda strange since live is very easily skinable. Shouldn't exactly be why anyone jumps ship...but I guess "looks" are about all we have to go by so far.

[headquest]

I wonder if this thing will have the audio groove engine? That's one of the most impressive parts of Live 8 I think.

I rather doubt that it will have a bunch of the stuff we know and love in Ableton Live... they will need to copy and sell more of Ableton's ideas in their version 2, 3 and 4 upgrades

[regretfullySaid]

Pretty much, just enough now to tide things over while they catch up....
Ironically Ableton already needed to catch up...
Can these guys just fuck and get it over with?
We'll pay for the hotel room.

[kb420]

Can these guys just fuck and get it over with?
We'll pay for the hotel room.

Actually they can't right now. There seems to be a nasty case of anal/rectal herpes going around.

[Ryanmf]

I really can't tell whether you guys would prefer more Live-esque features at the expense of appearing like a "rip off," or sacrificing those features and their benefits In an attempt to make Bitwig Studio more original/unique.

I'm not sure if you can have it both ways.

[nathannn]

just thinking here, there are alot of les paul and fender strat copies out there. its hard to believe that the makers of these copies are getting sued.

[skatr2]

Ya know I don't mind rip offs as long as they offer a better product overall. I don't have loyalty that will force me to defend a faceless company and love to try new things. Hell I bought maschine and try as I do, can't get into it for crap. BUT what I need out of music production is both the integration of a live environment as well as some capability to produce songs in a linear environment for end production. Live does the former wonderfully and the latter acceptably by my standards. but some of the features I saw in BW are kind of cool...so to entice me over I would need a similar work flow to live or a acceptable alternative with functioning external controllers...as well as a pricepoint that makes upgrading to 9 not worth it.

[headquest]

I really can't tell whether you guys would prefer more Live-esque features at the expense of appearing like a "rip off," or sacrificing those features and their benefits In an attempt to make Bitwig Studio more original/unique.

I'm not sure if you can have it both ways.

Well choosing your main DAW is a huge choice, with long-term consequences

I think you raise an interesting question, but it needs breaking down into other questions, because it's not that simple ...

+ Does Bitwig Studio provide a full featured DAW that meets MY needs?
+ Am I confident that Bitwig is an ongoing concern, rather than a bunch of guys with a grudge?
+ On the evidence so far, is Bitwig Studio innovative and forward thinking, or an obvious clone?

Beyond that it's a question of doing the "balance sheet" of Pros and Cons to switching. What features from Live would I lose by switching to Bitwig? Are there features in Bitwig that are more important than those I would lose?

The danger is that I end up owning both, but equally frustrated with both because of features one has that the other lacks. My guess is that for those who buy into Bitwig Studio this is the most likely outcome - genuine frustration.

Then again, until Ableton reveal what's in Live 9 - which surely will happen soon within the same timescale as the Bitwig beta - then we can't even make a proper comparison.

[headquest]

just thinking here, there are alot of les paul and fender strat copies out there. its hard to believe that the makers of these copies are getting sued.

I think part of the *problem* here is that people genuinely expected something rather more interesting and innovative from Bitwig, not a derivative clone that's only USP is to overtly imitate Ableton while trying to implementing some frequent user requests before Ableton can.

[betterbox]

at least it will push ableton now to fullwill the workflow related userwishes.. most of the bit wig features was requested a hundret times from ableton users since the first days.. and actually expandon the initial concept while ableton only managed to introduce the fx/instrument concept and age old standard daw functionality.. when you look at live 2 and live 8 the are not very differemt from each other and all real basic production functionality hasnt developed further a single notch.
When L9 dont brings a big part of this core functional improovmemts bitwig will take over 25% of the ableton users in no time.

and regarding the copy/sued thing..

the session view is maybe new from zeh layout.. but all the basic functionality it has is a 1:1 take over from opcodes studio vison daw and no ableton invention. its all there.. the launch modes.. the arrangement recording..

so it will be hard to sue anybody regarding that functionality itself. and the spreadsheet style launch matrix? isnt that quite the same as we have seen in the linn 9000 the first time in hardware?

[agent314]

just thinking here, there are alot of les paul and fender strat copies out there. its hard to believe that the makers of these copies are getting sued.

There's actually a bunch of what are called Lawsuit Les Pauls out there because a knockoff was too close to the specs of a legitimate Gibson Les Paul

[betterbox]

+ Does Bitwig Studio provide a full featured DAW that meets MY needs?

does ableton live provide a full featured daw? maybe with L9.. but as it is now without sysex support..timecode support.. surround support.. not yet really..

And a daw that meets your individual needs? i would say any daw or sequencer system that allows to get a finished track done is a possible competitor.. when the workflow supports your personla style or short commings..

at least bitwig promisses a more inteligent browser. In general they seem to be more workflow orientated than ableton that was allways more on the feature lust side of things