Live 8's new warping... good for you or bad for you?

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:00 pm

Angstrom wrote:This is very slightly off-topic, but also on it.

has anyone mentioned that you can now set the start marker to a position before the wave begins? So you can have a bit of silence before the sample.

IE - you don't need to do that weird trick with a volume envelope anymore. You just drag the marker to -4 or whatever and then you have a nice handy 2 bars before your clip starts.

Very nice. I did not see that mentioned anywhere.

crumhorn · Post by **crumhorn** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:02 pm

The new method makes a lot more sense. The old method was unintuitive IMO

The old method reflected the idea of "Time Stretching". But you can't stretch time. The new method is more akin to "Tape Stretching" which is something you can relate to.

Bunky Freaks · Post by **Bunky Freaks** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:34 pm

looking forward to the new warp mode! Though time streching wraps around the core concept of live, it also was quite "mediocre" quality-wise up until now.

db91977 · Post by **db91977** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:39 pm

Yes, the new paradigm makes more sense to me, too. You can move transients to whatever division of the beat. It's easier to visualize this way.

--db

noisetonepause wrote: Yeah, only now you can see what you're doing.

Also, you can warp to triplets properly now.

Blurr · Post by **Blurr** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:13 am

Has anybody ever wished it was possible toggle warp marker visibility directly on the Arrangement tracks ? Not holding my breath for this but it would be be simply impossible using the old method.

Wth the new method lineing up events accross the arrangement could be simple & eligant.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:30 am

I see both sides of this. For shorter bit sof audio you're trying to sync up to a project, the new method makes a lot more sense. However when all you're doing is warping a bunch of tracks to use later in a DJ set, the old method made more sense. You aren't visualizing the actual song moving, becuase from a DJ standpoint it's all the same tempo and fixed in time. So moving the grid to fit the song ala Live 7 makes more sense.

Nick the Zombie · Post by **Nick the Zombie** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:51 am

glitchrock-buddha wrote:
Angstrom wrote:This is very slightly off-topic, but also on it.

has anyone mentioned that you can now set the start marker to a position before the wave begins? So you can have a bit of silence before the sample.

IE - you don't need to do that weird trick with a volume envelope anymore. You just drag the marker to -4 or whatever and then you have a nice handy 2 bars before your clip starts.
Very nice. I did not see that mentioned anywhere.

+ 1. This is excellent news!

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:08 am

Tarekith wrote:I see both sides of this. For shorter bit sof audio you're trying to sync up to a project, the new method makes a lot more sense. However when all you're doing is warping a bunch of tracks to use later in a DJ set, the old method made more sense. You aren't visualizing the actual song moving, becuase from a DJ standpoint it's all the same tempo and fixed in time. So moving the grid to fit the song ala Live 7 makes more sense.

Is it really that different?

Before you moved the timeline to fit the beats, now you move the beats to the timeline. Aren't they the same thing in effect, or at least have the same effect?

Having played some more I'd say the big difference is having the transient markers, as they're pretty much spot on all the time it cuts out most of the work - you don't have to add a warp marker in the right spot, just move the already marked transient.

jok · Post by **jok** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:42 am

Hey guys,

for warping longer tracks for a DJ set I found my personal workflow has completely changed, but it seems actually faster and more accurate now:

Beforehand I used to drag the first warp marker onto the "1", zoom-in to place it real accurately and rewarp the track from there and adjust if necessary

With the new warping engine, I found this very handy:
Locate the "1", place a warp marker upon the respective transient and choose "Set 1.1.1 here" from the context menu (a command I hardly ever used before to be honest), rewarp (if necessary) from there.

Tonight I warped an old compilation of 20s Charleston tunes to mix with a house set this way in no time, little need for manual adjusting. Check the Beat/Transients mode, them old Charleston tunes just seemed glued to the house tracks.

Jörg

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:45 am

Well the old logic is, the space between 2 warp markers is always a 16th, so if you move them close together, you stretch the audio because that small snippet still has to last a 16th note. In envelopes view Live shows you what the wave looks like. It's actually not very intuitive for a new user, but we are all used to it so when you see the new method it takes a bit, but it's far better.

The transient snapping thing works really well. Haven't tried the groove quant yet but it looks really easy to use.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:52 am

I think the biggest change is that you really need to be zoomed in SUPER far to be able to get to where you can freely place a warp marker now. Before you could just drop one close, then slide it to where you wanted. Under the enw paradigm, you have to actually be able to see where it SHOULD be before you drop it. Honestly the fact we can no longer zoom in the top half half of the waveform is probably my biggest hang up in the process.

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:54 am

jok wrote:With the new warping engine, I found this very handy:
Locate the "1", place a warp marker upon the respective transient and choose "Set 1.1.1 here" from the context menu (a command I hardly ever used before to be honest), rewarp (if necessary) from there.

It would be even easier if 1.1.1 was automatically set to the first transient.

I find it necessary to rewarp after setting 1.1.1, I'm guessing this also wouldn't be necessary if 1.1.1 was set correctly in the first place.

jok · Post by **jok** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:07 am

It would be even easier if 1.1.1 was automatically set to the first transient.

true of course. didn´t matter so much though for warping Charleston tonight, as I wouldn´t cue many tracks from the beginning with full intro anyway.

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:12 am

jok wrote:true of course. didn´t matter so much though for warping Charleston tonight, as I wouldn´t cue many tracks from the beginning with full intro anyway.

I take it that by playing Charleston tunes over house tracks, you mean you're basically playing a back to back set of Doop. People actually like that????

jok · Post by **jok** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:33 am

you mean you're basically playing a back to back set of Doop

lol, I almost succefully forgot about them.
it works great with minimal house if you dont´s exaggerate and glitch it to tiny pieces
dunno if people gonna like it, but it´s for a 20s motto party