O/T Billy Bob Thornton Being a Prick (Band Interview)

[Tone Deft]

Tone Deft

BBT's love of music was not questioned at all, but perhaps both you and BBT cannot recognize sincerity and hear only sarcasm, and cannot understand that the CBC has more integrity than any US media and that the hosts will not cow before celebrities petty demands. And thus also doesn't need to follow simplistic ideas about "business" in order to have a national talk show.

Please never come to Canada, as I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it either, what with all the reasoned debate and respectful disagreement.

wow. using nationalism to support a logical debate. that's pretty bad.

it's a professional courtesy.

you do think it's rude for BBT to have a 'rider' that he'd rather not talk about x, y, and z. this is VERY common in interviews, every celebrity has things they don't want to talk about.

you don't think it's rude for the interviewer to ignore his wishes.

very strange. I don't think you're a very nice person.


he insulted his music by insisting that an interview with BBT has to include his acting. BBT would like to stand on his own with his band and make their own way, that's the impression I was left with. to me that's pretty clear.


you definitely have some growing up to do, it's perfectly OK to admit that you're wrong.

I'll go wherever I want, even if it's America's favorite suburb, Canada. you guys are so cute up there, are you still a country? eat some back bacon for me, eh? ya hoser, yah, yah!!

[Machinesworking]

MW - you're making assumptions that you have no clue about. your argument is based around him using celebrity to get contracts. there's no basis for that whatsoever. if the interview shows one thing it's that BBT would probably rather kill himself before pulling a move like that. drop the hate for a second and think about it.

No hate here, notice how I ended my speculation by giving him the benefit of the doubt.
It's not assumptions at all, sorry to burst anybodies bubble, but if you are famous, CEO's at record companies etc. will pay more attention to your other art than they would other people. To not acknowledge that, is being ungracious of your advantage IMO, though it could easily have been a request of the rest of the band.

Look at it this way, I decide to become an actor and so does Chris Cornell. We are equally talented at acting. Who do you think has a better chance of being cast? Cornell would, by a long shot, this isn't 'hating' it's simple fact. Now Cornell would probably be harsher judged on his skills that way, but his foot would be quicker in the door, no doubt. This is normal par for the course stuff here. So is a movie star acting pissed when his acting career is mentioned during an interview about his music.

I just think being gracious about it is a better way to go, but as I said it could have been a bad day, and I agree it was way overblown.

Also, Johnny Lydon is a one of a kind, it's too bad it seems a lot of celebrities have tried to match his attitude. There really should only be one Rotten IMO. PIL were amazing though. I still love 'Metal Box/ 2nd Edition' and Flowers of Romance, groundbreaking stuff.

[scott nathaniel]

MW - you're making assumptions that you have no clue about. your argument is based around him using celebrity to get contracts. there's no basis for that whatsoever. if the interview shows one thing it's that BBT would probably rather kill himself before pulling a move like that. drop the hate for a second and think about it.

I don't wan to beat a dead horse, but his celebrity is the onlyreason this band is getting an interview. As you clearly pointed out they are an admittedly derivitive band. I lived in Montana and Byrd/Parsonesque country bands are a dime a dozen. A lot, most actually, are damn fine. Billy Bob's band without his stature, would be another cow-poke band and it is doubtful they would be getting much press. Go on to youtube and it seems Billy gives more interviews as a Boxcaster, or whatever their called, than he does performances (don't take that too literally. Andwhy did the other members sit there meekly as princess Billy mumbled about? because he's paying their checks. They wanted to do an interview but got sideswiped by Billy's attitude. That's how I see it. I think you've filtered a bit out to make your case.

[LP]

Tone Deft

You are the one who said that insulting Canadians didn't matter, even though the subject of this discussion is that BBT blew it in Canada, while on the national broadcaster, while on tour in Canada.

So how is mentioning Canada, its public broadcast mandates and general mannerisms not relevant?

I'd hardly call it nationalism, but it is a subject that the USA knows much more about than Canada, so I defer.

And now you are resorting to tired cliches while trying to lecture Canadians about politeness? That's actually kind of funny.

The interview did not include his acting, instead only mentioning who BBT was for people who may not be familiar with him. The word that the host used to explain himself was "context" which was, and perhaps is, too sophisticated for use with someone who seems to only speak " American."

Gian's demeanor was exemplary: he didn't fall for the Yankee's bait, nor did he acquiesce.

So BBT didn't get all of his wishes. Kind of like not getting red M&Ms. Boo-hoo.

I think that it is clear who isn't very nice here, and who might need to grow up.

One of these people is BBT.

[mikemc]

He was cool about some things, but prickish about others. The bad thing he did was to say "would you ask Tom Petty that question?". If he had said "would you ask one of the Crash Test Dummies that question?" he could've possibly even been perceived as cool. He's as famous or more famous than Tom Petty in his actor context, but no way in the same league in his musical one. So in that point he misspoke at least as badly as the interviewer.

So he was a little babyish, but the interview is granted on a two-way street, and part of the deal was no talk about acting. However, the interviewer *broke* that deal, so Thorton sees himself as set up, and now open to all kinds of crap about Brangelina, etc.. That was not part of the agreement. So he's pissed, not only does he say words not allowed on TV, but he exposes the ruse that the whole 'music interview thing' is a choreographed exchange with agreed upon guidelines, which gets the interviewer defensive, because the TV people believe that is a secret.

The music he plays is derivative nashville stuff, yes, but it is not unsaleable as it stands, I'd say his lyrics are a little cerebral given the genre.

[edit] he basically came on to plug a product, not participate in some sort of journalistic endeavor, which the interviewer tried to paint it as. The deal is "you get to ask the questions of the famous person given the guidelines, famous person gets to plug their product." But of course the source of his fame is his status in the film industry-- I'd say the producer should have let the interviewer fashion 'the deal' a little more.

[Tone Deft]

MW - you're making assumptions that you have no clue about. your argument is based around him using celebrity to get contracts. there's no basis for that whatsoever. if the interview shows one thing it's that BBT would probably rather kill himself before pulling a move like that. drop the hate for a second and think about it.

No hate here, notice how I ended my speculation by giving him the benefit of the doubt.
It's not assumptions at all, sorry to burst anybodies bubble, but if you are famous, CEO's at record companies etc. will pay more attention to your other art than they would other people. To not acknowledge that, is being ungracious of your advantage IMO, though it could easily have been a request of the rest of the band.

Look at it this way, I decide to become an actor and so does Chris Cornell. We are equally talented at acting. Who do you think has a better chance of being cast? Cornell would, by a long shot, this isn't 'hating' it's simple fact. Now Cornell would probably be harsher judged on his skills that way, but his foot would be quicker in the door, no doubt. This is normal par for the course stuff here. So is a movie star acting pissed when his acting career is mentioned during an interview about his music.

I just think being gracious about it is a better way to go, but as I said it could have been a bad day, and I agree it was way overblown.

OK, we're at a standstill, my stance is that you're saying that he's using his celebrity, you have no proof of that. my proof against that is his outrage that people are playing the celebrity card on him, a clear indicator, IMO that he's not using his celebrity, he doesn't want to.

him being an actor the only reason for the interview? likely, but irrelevant. the point is, he asked that the acting be left out, they didn't, he got mad.

I'm disappointed that this is what the media considers freaking out.

Also, Johnny Lydon is a one of a kind, it's too bad it seems a lot of celebrities have tried to match his attitude. There really should only be one Rotten IMO. PIL were amazing though. I still love 'Metal Box/ 2nd Edition' and Flowers of Romance, groundbreaking stuff.

Lydon is a self absorbed cunt. I love the line in that interview "excuse me for talking while you were interrupting."

[Tone Deft]

MW - you're making assumptions that you have no clue about. your argument is based around him using celebrity to get contracts. there's no basis for that whatsoever. if the interview shows one thing it's that BBT would probably rather kill himself before pulling a move like that. drop the hate for a second and think about it.

I don't wan to beat a dead horse, but his celebrity is the onlyreason this band is getting an interview.

so what? he asked to not talk about acting, they talked about acting, pretty simple.

As you clearly pointed out they are an admittedly derivitive band. I lived in Montana and Byrd/Parsonesque country bands are a dime a dozen. A lot, most actually, are damn fine. Billy Bob's band without his stature, would be another cow-poke band and it is doubtful they would be getting much press.

I call it 'bar rock'. basic blues played over and over, I love playing it in my own home to myself because I can riff pentatonics, I f-ing hate hearing it at every outdoor street festival I've ever been to.

Go on to youtube and it seems Billy gives more interviews as a Boxcaster, or whatever their called, than he does performances (don't take that too literally. Andwhy did the other members sit there meekly as princess Billy mumbled about? because he's paying their checks. They wanted to do an interview but got sideswiped by Billy's attitude. That's how I see it. I think you've filtered a bit out to make your case.

the other band members did talk. you're using youtube content as a measure of how often he performs? that's not very good logic.

you can't admit when you're wrong. the interviewer stuck his foot down his throat, he fucked up and insulted BBT, that's pretty much all there is to it.

[mikemc]

The reason for the interview was his publicist, the publicist makes the deal with the producer. The producer outlines the guidelines with the interviewer. If the interviewer thinks that his 'journalistic integrity' is compromised, he says "look, ask him if I can say this as part of the lead in".

The interviewer screwed up by trying to make any of the interview about himself. That was just silly, being defensive, but he was trying to protect the "TV music interviewer mystique" that Thorton had just blown open. But Thorton didn't need to keep shoving it at him. As it stands, he got beaucoup publicity.

So they all screwed up. fwiw, Thorton's music is well produced for the genre ("bar rock" well tagged) I think, and he's not too bad at it. But he is really good at the film stuff.

[scott nathaniel]

MW - you're making assumptions that you have no clue about. your argument is based around him using celebrity to get contracts. there's no basis for that whatsoever. if the interview shows one thing it's that BBT would probably rather kill himself before pulling a move like that. drop the hate for a second and think about it.

I don't think Billy Bob is trying to use his celebrity, that's not the point. The point is that he can't avoid his celebrity, so it's a bit disingenuous to gloss it over. He shpuld be happy he's getting any airtime at all because I don't think he'd be getting much otherwise. That's not to belittle his music endeavors; they're just not that exceptional.

[Tone Deft]

You are the one who said that insulting Canadians didn't matter, even though the subject of this discussion is that BBT blew it in Canada, while on the national broadcaster, while on tour in Canada.

interesting bit of logic!

So how is mentioning Canada, its public broadcast mandates and general mannerisms not relevant?

there's a Canadian mandate to ignore guests' riders?

I'd hardly call it nationalism, but it is a subject that the USA knows much more about than Canada, so I defer.

hypocritical statement.

And now you are resorting to tired cliches while trying to lecture Canadians about politeness? That's actually kind of funny.

making fun of Canadians is hilarious, NOBODY hates them, so nothing can be said with a real sting to it.

The interview did not include his acting, instead only mentioning who BBT was for people who may not be familiar with him. The word that the host used to explain himself was "context" which was, and perhaps is, too sophisticated for use with someone who seems to only speak " American."

doesn't matter, BBT explained that at 7:10.

Gian's demeanor was exemplary: he didn't fall for the Yankee's bait, nor did he acquiesce.

again with the nationalism. he sure as fuck acquiesced, right before he shit his pants.

So BBT didn't get all of his wishes. Kind of like not getting red M&Ms. Boo-hoo.

do you read while you type or do you just type in random sentences. you're admitting that he was treated wrong.

I think that it is clear who isn't very nice here, and who might need to grow up.

pots and kettles. omfg go re-read your posts.

[Tone Deft]

I don't think Billy Bob is trying to use his celebrity, that's not the point.

the point is that he's trying to separate his music from his acting and people aren't respecting that, so he gets labeled as someone who freaks out on TV. LAME!!

The point is that he can't avoid his celebrity, so it's a bit disingenuous to gloss it over. He shpuld be happy he's getting any airtime at all because I don't think he'd be getting much otherwise. That's not to belittle his music endeavors; they're just not that exceptional.

it doesn't matter what you think of his music, I doubt he likes yours. I f-ing loathe Tiesto, he gets plenty of interviews.

the point is, the guy got pissed off for good reason, the thread is lame. (cosmo is a very nice guy and a good poster.)

[scott nathaniel]

I don't think Billy Bob is trying to use his celebrity, that's not the point.

the point is that he's trying to separate his music from his acting and people aren't respecting that, so he gets labeled as someone who freaks out on TV. LAME!!

The point is that he can't avoid his celebrity, so it's a bit disingenuous to gloss it over. He shpuld be happy he's getting any airtime at all because I don't think he'd be getting much otherwise. That's not to belittle his music endeavors; they're just not that exceptional.

it doesn't matter what you think of his music, I doubt he likes yours. I f-ing loathe Tiesto, he gets plenty of interviews.

the point is, the guy got pissed off for good reason, the thread is lame. (cosmo is a very nice guy and a good poster.)

I think the thread is fine. You're essentially a hypocrite. You've spent quite a significant amount of time in this "lame" thread. That makes you an asshole. And you're wrong, he didn't get pissed off for good reason, so accept that ( can you see how pointless this is to say). And I'm under no fucking obligation to respect Billy. You appear to be a person who should be able to respect that
Peace, I'm getting vertigo and the spins.

[Tone Deft]

I think the thread is fine. You're essentially a hypocrite. You've spent quite a significant amount of time in this "lame" thread. That makes you an asshole. And you're wrong, he didn't get pissed off for good reason, so accept that ( can you see how pointless this is to say). And I'm under no fucking obligation to respect Billy. You appear to be a person who should be able to respect that
Peace, I'm getting vertigo and the spins.

quoted for posterity. nice one. out of ammo, dead in the water.

have you EVER admitted you were wrong?

wait, when does hypocrite mean asshole? you should check a dictionary.

[mikemc]

Lou Reed is awesome.

http://www.loureed.com/00/index.html

[scott nathaniel]

I think the thread is fine. You're essentially a hypocrite. You've spent quite a significant amount of time in this "lame" thread. That makes you an asshole. And you're wrong, he didn't get pissed off for good reason, so accept that ( can you see how pointless this is to say). And I'm under no fucking obligation to respect Billy. You appear to be a person who should be able to respect that
Peace, I'm getting vertigo and the spins.

quoted for posterity. nice one. out of ammo, dead in the water.

have you EVER admitted you were wrong?

wait, when does hypocrite mean asshole? you should check a dictionary.

Partner: "make" and "mean" are two different words, two different meanings, check the dictionary.
Dude, you're fizzin' out, too. Go get some rest.