MacBook Pro 13 vs lenovo thinkpad t430

[scrTchs]

Well, I was gonna suggest that we not turn this into a Mac v. PC debate. TOO LATE!

My 2 cents. Windows is hacked together garbage that will never work right. I can't stand it when I'm forced to use Windows in certain situations. It just feels so clunky and retarded.

But, most people are used to it because they've been using it forever. Then, they try a Mac and don't like the folder structure or this or that because it's not familiar. They dismiss it w/o realizing that they don't grasp it because they're over-thinking it. On a Mac, shit is straight-forward and works how logic dictates it should work but is easy to over-think because we've all been raised on generic Window's bull-shit over complicating the fuck out of everything.

I know I could build a PC that's twice as powerful and half the price of my MBP (and I did) But I'll gladly pay the extra $$ for what I believe is a far superior product both functionally and aesthetically. Everything about it is a work of art. I've never seen a Window's computer in my life that was a joy to look at or use!

Fuck it. I don't care. Apple fucking rules. Fascists or not, they're products are revolutionary. Windows, not so much.

GET A MAC ~~~ YOU WILL NOT REGRET THE DECISION.

{end fanboy rant}
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:01 am

Everything you say about Mac does sound pretty fucking nice. I'm still considering a Mbp, and I'm not that unfamiliar with them I just have never tried running my equipment in one. I'm sure it would be irritating getting used to the switch but I can handle. I just want to make sure I spend my cash wisely.all my software I use is pc/ Mac compatible.

[Theo Void]

It's seamless. I run Live 9 plus an insane amount if vsts plus Maschine, traktor and a bunch of different controllers; Maschine, apc40, Launchpad, s2, f1, x1, axiom25 etc. even a few hardware synths and a KP3.

I used pc for years w/ audio mulch, reason but when I bought a Mac it totally made me way more productive simply because shit just worked. On Windows I spent 90% of my music making time configuring and fixing things.

I can pretty much guarantee you will not regret purchasing a MacBook Pro.

[H20nly]

which version of Windows were you using Theo?

[Nokatus]

I used pc for years w/ audio mulch, reason but when I bought a Mac it totally made me way more productive simply because shit just worked. On Windows I spent 90% of my music making time configuring and fixing things.

In my experience, Windows 7 just works. It's actually phenomenal for audio/music work, suprprised me even. This whole debate is really only a preference thing, nothing more. Both choices are very good, use what suits you best. An informed custom built choice and Win 7 for me.

Yes, the thing is, you need quality hardware. The i7-3770k based workstation I've been using, RME HDSPe AIO audio interface, has had zero problems on Windows 7, everything just works. Routinely running my realtime projects with a buffer of 64 samples. I've done commercial work with this system a full year now, no crashes, no bullshit, just works.

And... No mandates from audio software companies in the vein of "uh oh, they rolled out another update to the OS, our product doesn't yet work with it, please don't update yet!" Again, no problems whatsoever. Live 8 and Studio One 2 pro, U-he, Fabfilter, Waves, NI, Spectrasonics.

[nathannn]

I would only get the lenovo if it was half the price of the mac.
Some things to think about when switching,
Everything is tiny on mac, the fonts, dials in live, lives sliders.
Drag n Drop is better in Windows Like H20 said.
Actually Most functionality is better in Windows except the audio driver and the look of windows.
The default icon snap function on mac makes no sense.
Using backspace is slow in mac, highlighting words seems to be harder to do on a mac (these are just complaints that are coming to mind as I typed)
Macs seem to be built less sturdy, If you drop your macbook, something is going to break, even if you drop it from 3 feet on carpet, something will at least dent.
All apple computers graphics cards seem to be 1 year behind the competition.

Macs come with better software but Ilife is still shit.

I guess I prefer windows though because its what I grew up using so I am biased, but I dont prefer asio or windows audio driver, I have always had a wierd problem with windows where I get clicks, pops and loud burst of white noise with any usb souncard I use. The problem seems to always work it self out after a few months but it happens with every new windows computer or new windows install. So because of that I would go with a mac since I have never had white noise burst, pops clicks or other bullshit due to a faulty audio driver when using my macbook.

[Nokatus]

Actually Most functionality is better in Windows except the audio driver and the look of windows.

That audio driver thing, good call. Part of the reason I've liked my experience on Windows 7 so much has undoubtedly been the product of the RME drivers, which have worked absolutely flawlessly.

The looks don't bother me personally, as I work with my DAW environment fullscreened anyway. They look the same, no matter which platform you're on (I haven't used the Windows file manager in at least 15 years, always using a two-pane "power user" file manager, no matter if I'm on Win or *nix based system, graphic or text based, always).

[nathannn]

Actually Most functionality is better in Windows except the audio driver and the look of windows.

That audio driver thing, good call. Part of the reason I've liked my experience on Windows 7 so much has undoubtedly been the product of the RME drivers, which have worked absolutely flawlessly.

The looks don't bother me personally, as I work with my DAW environment fullscreened anyway. They look the same, no matter which platform you're on (I haven't used the Windows file manager in at least 15 years, always using a two-pane "power user" file manager, no matter if I'm on Win or *nix based system, graphic or text based, always).

I was thinking about the glass on the windows borders but you can turn that off so yeah.. windows is pretty decent.
One think windows does much better than mac is the minimise close and maximise windows buttons, also the delete key on windows actually deletes, there really is a ton of shit that would make windows the better operating system if they could just get the audio on par with core audio.

btw im really tired so if i mis pell shit or come off as articulate as a 2 year old its because im lacking sleep but dont feel like going to bed.

[wildcon]

Switched to Mac about 3 years ago, and whilst there are some niggles (USB ports!) I is pretty much a continual pleasure to use

Absolutely no regrets and would not go back.

I have Fusion loaded for Windows. Brilliant - no rebooting desk have it on a different desktop. One swipe and you are away

[H20nly]

yeah, i have to agree that i don't regret buying my Mac either. even with the little things that suck... nathannn brings up a good point with the delete key. WTF is it with that??

anyway, as i and others have mentioned, CORE Audio on the Mac is a pleasure to work with.

still, Windows 7 in many ways is a better OS IMO... not because of how it looks, but because of what it will let you do... many of those little things i've done for years would never cross my mind without sitting in front of a Mac because they seem so trivial. i have no regrets with my Lenovo laptop with Windows 7 either. i love them both... my iMac and my Lenovo.

but in terms of regret, absolutely no regret for buying the Mac. besides, at that price... you can't afford to regret it... your pride won't let you.


edit: grammer.

[IP]

will pick windows anytime especially for the file management (that hundred little things), the performance and software.
but i love the mbp build quality (writing from one of those right now).

next update for my mbp will be an SSD and windows 8.1 (not dual boot, just windows).
my workstation also is (and will always be) based on windows and custom builds for many many reasons.

this is just me, call me crazy.
but you cant call me an internet parrot or a marketing victim

[Moosebear]

One thing I notice about the people who talk about Windows and audio with confidence is that they seem very tech-savvy. I'm perhaps a semi-geek, and I've found frequent frustrations with my various PC's.

Whether or not the MBP is more stable or better for audio, I'm considering getting one of the Haswells when they come out, cuz I know one thing for sure: I'll have somebody to call to help me when I have a problem. I'll get trained, helpful support. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/ ... _Reports_i_

I've never had that with any PC I've had. $300 for Applecare (or less from 3rd party) means, hopefully, I don't get stuck for years. (Plus a great extended warranty) $99 for one-on-one means I can hopefully transition over from Windows and get set up right in Mac from the get-go.

That's the biggest factor in my decision right now. I don't want hassles. For those willing and capable of dealing in Windows world, I guess you'll spend less for a more powerful machine. For me, the soul-sucking agony of getting stuck with tech issues is driving me toward the fruit-based computer... with some hesitation, cuz I know Windows, and I like it. I'm also hesitating because of the promise of music in a touch-screen environment. But today is when I need to make music, and that's not happening yet.

[Nokatus]

For me, the soul-sucking agony of getting stuck with tech issues is driving me toward the fruit-based computer... with some hesitation, cuz I know Windows, and I like it.

On my part, I must emphasize that I've had zero technical issues with my Windows 7 64-bit system (which I mentioned above). In this case, it hasn't been about knowing how to cope with issues, there literally aren't any issues to begin with. I just turn on the system and make music.

However, as I wrote, one needs to know what to put into their machines. Compatible, real-word tried and tested components, starting from the motherboard and ending with a quality audio interface, and the result is a (really!) problem-free DAW, no tech issues in sight. This means not installing any dodgy software either, btw.

Still, all of that requires getting to know what works and what doesn't, or getting someone trustworthy to do that for you -- so from that viewpoint it's true that one needs to be tech-savvy to a certain degree when planning/buying the system, I agree.

[IP]

support is a big thing but again debatable!

apple is not everywhere. Microsoft (or normal pc stores) is.

if something happen to my mbp i need to send it to the capital and live without it for at least a week/15 days. ok i dont care because i have my pc workstation to do my work.

but what if i had a mac pro? i could stay a week or a month without it for the smallest damage? this is NOT so pro support. better choose top parts and have minimum 3/5 years of guarantee without pay a cent more. If something will go wrong i will be back to normal in 20/30 minutes and i will be able to continue my work.

just saying.
if you go mac and gonna have it as your main machine, you better have an apple store very near.
(unless you dont care waiting)

[Moosebear]

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However, as I wrote, one needs to know what to put into their machines. Compatible, real-word tried and tested components, starting from the motherboard and ending with a quality audio interface, and the result is a (really!) problem-free DAW, no tech issues in sight. This means not installing any dodgy software either, btw.

Do you mean a desktop? I'm wanting a laptop. If I thought there was a solid Windows laptop with these qualities at a much better price than the MBP, I'd go for it. I'd want a much better price because the tech support will NOT be as good as Apple, AFAIK, no matter what the PC maker. Consumer reports rates Lenovo a little higher than some, but still way below Apple in terms of actual problem resolution.

[kitekrazy]

Well, I was gonna suggest that we not turn this into a Mac v. PC debate. TOO LATE!

My 2 cents. Windows is hacked together garbage that will never work right. I can't stand it when I'm forced to use Windows in certain situations. It just feels so clunky and retarded.

But, most people are used to it because they've been using it forever. Then, they try a Mac and don't like the folder structure or this or that because it's not familiar. They dismiss it w/o realizing that they don't grasp it because they're over-thinking it. On a Mac, shit is straight-forward and works how logic dictates it should work but is easy to over-think because we've all been raised on generic Window's bull-shit over complicating the fuck out of everything.

I know I could build a PC that's twice as powerful and half the price of my MBP (and I did) But I'll gladly pay the extra $$ for what I believe is a far superior product both functionally and aesthetically. Everything about it is a work of art. I've never seen a Window's computer in my life that was a joy to look at or use!

Fuck it. I don't care. Apple fucking rules. Fascists or not, they're products are revolutionary. Windows, not so much.

GET A MAC ~~~ YOU WILL NOT REGRET THE DECISION.

{end fanboy rant}
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:01 am

Everything you say about Mac does sound pretty fucking nice. I'm still considering a Mbp, and I'm not that unfamiliar with them I just have never tried running my equipment in one. I'm sure it would be irritating getting used to the switch but I can handle. I just want to make sure I spend my cash wisely.all my software I use is pc/ Mac compatible.

The only drawback to Mac is you go into a world far more proprietary. It's strange that you put your faith in the most emotional and least technical response in this thread.

Leonovos are great latops. I would also check in Asus. If you were mentioning an HP or Acer craptops-no doubt MBP.

If you bought the lower priced option, I guess you could take the savings and put it into something else. It's like choosing a $2K LP or $3500 LP. Both are great but after forking over $3500, I say, "Oh shit, I need a nice amp for it". After that I realize I don't have any money left for an amp.