New York Post Racism

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Post by 3dot... » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:25 am

bytheriver wrote:You can look at it in two ways.

Way 1: Its sickening racism.

Way 2: Its people finally feeling skin colour is no big deal, and you can make a joke about it like you can with Bushes IQ/Speaking, Clintons love life etc.
I don't think it's racist...and I'm a Jew... my racist radars are fully charged..
it is in poor taste ... that I agree with...
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Post by forge » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:02 am

I think there's a good chance the conscious intention of the cartoonist was to just draw attention to the fact that he felt the stimulus package was ill thought out and might as will have been written by a chimp

but there is little chance he wouldn't have understood the implications, so however you look at it he's guilty of being a cunt

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Re: New York Post Racism

Post by djadonis206 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:44 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
kb420 wrote:There is absolutely no doubt in my mind what the intentions of that cartoon were, and it was completely out of line. I'm not being sensitive. It is what it is!
I agree. I love politically incorrect humor probably more than I should, but it's silly to think a reader is going to make the leap from a single chimp to the senate etc. and to make the connection that the main front guy for the bill (Obama), didn't write it etc. This guy knew what he was doing, any typically vague reference like this is explained in political cartoons worldwide, the chimp would have "senate" or "congress" etc. printed on him like they do for any vague reference they make. The reasons for their not being a label on the chimp are clear, he wanted to allude to Obama, but wanted an out if he was too heavily criticized.
I think that if you can't see that political cartoon as being racist and a clear shot at Obama's ethnicity then you are either naive or completely out of touch with African Americans
I think it's a third option, they found a way to feel comfortable with the cartoon. Far too many people make some irrational guilt connection when one of their own race is racist, and if there's the slimmest chance that the incident can be read to not be racist, they'll take it.
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I thought Obama getting elected was a good thing. Now young African Americans are growning up in a world where the statement "You can be anything you want to be, even the President of the United States" is a true statement.


But I guess in some ways, him being elected only sparks more racism.
Don't agree with you there, him being elected won't spark more racism, it will just make it more obvious. In that sense, let the fuckers do it. They'll make themselves look so pathetically stupid that people who might have been swayed by more passive aggressive rhetoric will realize what kind of mindset they're potentially buying into.
This is where PC policing fails, forcing a debate with this guy about his BS will only make the left look oppressive, pointing it out and letting these jerks hang themselves is the best method. Interfering with freedom of speech no matter how well intended isn't going to work. Interested to see how this plays out.
You both are spot on.

If you look at history, the present, and the source it's pretty plain as day.

The fact two cops are shooting a monkey referring to the Stimulus...

Cops kill a lot of people but they have a knack of shooting minorities - many minorities including blacks have on numerous occasions been referred to as monkeys - turn on the news and all you see is Obama's face with the words STIMULUS next to it. Plus, its from a right wing news source.

that's not even thinking too deep about it.

Freedom of speech is fine, if they can't say what they say I can't say what I want to say - that's not really what's going on

It's just the tip of an iceberg that runs deep when discussing how people really feel about race relations in America today.

It's only fair for everyone (including me, you and you) to check themselves on how they view / translate / interpret this cartoon - something about it just ain't right
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Post by LoopStationZebra » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:22 pm

*shrug*

Dunno. Just watched Madagascar 2 and all the Hippos are voiced by black people. Is that racist? Why are ALL the Hippos voiced by black people? 8O

Just messing around here. Not really looking for an answer. There's still blatant racism around, and looking for it in a cartoon - as opposed to calling it out where it's obvious in real life - is kinda silly.

Don't ask what I was doing watching Madagascar 2. 8O
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Post by Machinesworking » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:47 pm

LoopStationZebra are you black? I'm not, I just happen to agree with the 'black' people here who seem to think this cartoon is racist.

Adonis is not a sensitive PC black dude by any means, I think his word on this carries weight, and again it's my contention that the typical-of-nearly-every-political-cartoon labeling of the metaphor, allusion, referenced topical subject matter, etc. (in this case the chimp), with the subject of your attack, is mandatory, especially if there's even a fraction of a chance that it can be misconstrued.
Here's a typical political cartoon with labeling, everything is properly labeled, Sam is flying on rebate checks, we get his reason for putting Sam on a paper plane now, the allusion is clear, that the cartoonist didn't bother in the dead chimp one, IMO is more than suspect. :?

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Post by starving student » Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:28 am

LoopStationZebra wrote:*shrug*

Dunno. Just watched Madagascar 2 and all the Hippos are voiced by black people. Is that racist? Why are ALL the Hippos voiced by black people? 8O

Just messing around here. Not really looking for an answer. There's still blatant racism around, and looking for it in a cartoon - as opposed to calling it out where it's obvious in real life - is kinda silly.

Don't ask what I was doing watching Madagascar 2. 8O

LoopStationZebra wrote:*shrug*

Dunno. Just watched Madagascar 2 and all the Hippos are voiced by black people. Is that racist? Why are ALL the Hippos voiced by black people? 8O

Just messing around here. Not really looking for an answer. There's still blatant racism around, and looking for it in a cartoon - as opposed to calling it out where it's obvious in real life - is kinda silly.

Don't ask what I was doing watching Madagascar 2. 8O
I'll bite, that's a suprisingly easy thing to answer, lets see what you think.

on television the majority of black people on primetime are fat loudtalking stupid people, the slant is as unmistakable as the lack of shows like the cosby show used to be, could this be why all the hippos are black people in madagascar, what do you think exactly is the casting formula for the majority of cartoons like that? .. you weren't actualy seeking an answer for madagascar but your brain already answered the question for you that's why you thought of it in the first place. you've seen the movie crash right, what do you think was the impetus for the tony danza scenes.

Look at tyler perrys movie madea goes to jail, or his hit sitcoms but wait a minute tyler perry is a black man who's written these shows so racism can't enter into the equation can it? I don't know if tyler perry is a racist or not, there are black people who are racist towards black people but the point is he is worth $105 million dollars on propagating those images, the images of black people that you would not take out in public because they are rediculous not that there are not black people who fit those characatures, but are they the majority, would all of the black people you know fit nicely right in a tyler perry show? I know alot of black people :wink: and most of them would not.

so like I said I don't know if tyler perry is racist but I know that he would not
be worth the amount of money he is worth if he was making shows like the cosby show, why is that, does the reason that the television networks only being able to supply these types of black images have anything to do with race?

is radio any different, everyday we all complain on the forums across the net
about the garbage coming out of so called black music right, it's not healthy
it has no redeeming qualities but radio executives in control of the airwaves
can't seem to find any room with-in a 24hr period to offer anything outside of the fiftycent syndrome of duragatory musical imagery, but its nobodys fault but these artist right I mean nobody is telling them what to do right?
well as artist ourselves we know that in many many cases that is exactly what is happening, and also as artist ourselves we know that record labels and radio stations will only play what their agenda is and if we want to be a part of the success then we had better start acting like lil wayne hadn't we, because artist who make the same kind of music with messages that are contrary remain unheard of and do not get to partake in that success.

so what is the medias agenda concerning black people, that is the question
what does the media want you to think about black people, maybe they want you to think that black people are fat loud stupid people or thugs, maybe that's what they want your children to think and maybe thats why all of the disney like cartoons follow the same formula as madagascar. of course I don't know for certain, it could be all in my head and all of the shows on tv could truly encompass the entire spectrum of black personalities
I mean there was a black president on 24 right but I guess when they did that they didn't know how it was going to turn out in the real world.

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