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knotkranky wrote:

hyerstay wrote:

knotkranky wrote:You need to stop mugging yourself.

What does this mean?

Your walking into places you don't want to be and participating in a threads you don't like. Why not walk down a different street. It's self inflicted. Mac v PC threads get/are stupid, so it was thusly and creatively expressed.

Huh, I wanted to be there. I expressed my opinion and helped chill things out. It was productive and I like trying to be a positive influence on the forums where I participate. I've been doing BBSs and interactive web sites for longer than I have been doing music, so these issues of site structure, attitude and community have been issues I have been interested in for a long time. I am also part of a sailboat racing team and manage and play for two indoor soccer (futsal) teams, so I have strong beliefs about what it takes to build teamwork and good communication, and that influences my actions here and in other forums.

Cheers,

Jason

I surf, play pick-up basketball, jam with my friends, engineer large tracking sessions and play competitive team golf. So I have strong beliefs about what it takes to not sweat your colleagues and to have a good time, and that influences my actions here. (In my only forum)

best o' luck

Who cares. Everthing written in this forum is discarded in to oblivion thirty seconds after its written

Well, that was my point too, but yours is much more eloquent.

hyerstay wrote:An Ableton rep should respond to this thread, but probably won't. (Prove me wrong!) A simple act of leadership like that is what I would like to see, a sign that they care about the forums and are responsive to the membership, in more ways than bug fixing. Just to be clear, I have tons of respect for Ableton and their staff. I just think that they need to realize that the tone of their forums reflects on their company. We need to have a specific person or persons to go to about problems with the forums or other members.

Hyerstay - you joined here a long time ago and I even remember you giving me mac advice years ago, but since then you obviously havent been around much to say all that. The Abes have stepped in when it was important and they have also answered in several of the other million threads on this topic - but you must realise that firstly this has been discussed a tedious amount of times and always been answered the same, so it doesnt make sense for them to waste valuable coding time flogging the same dead horse. Plus, the whole "camp ableton" thing was about acknowledging the strong community and they firmly believe in self regulation - and understand that many of the long term members help in that.

hyerstay wrote: I guess it comes down to leading by example. There are many places where an Ableton person should have stepped in on their own, but didn't. For example, in that last Mac vs. PCs thread, an Ableton rep should have PMed the thread starter about his flashing signature, and said to change it or it would be removed. I think the membership did well in calming things down, but by not dealing with that animated sig, we got pages of epileptic images that are totally agrivating. In fact, in that thread, I was more bothered by the images than the words, and I'm glad the thread started toned it all down by the end and went back to a single image sig.

Jason

honestly - you are talking about a mac vs pc thread - it's hardly an important use of forum time, and really people that keep them going should know better - so you cant really complain about that it should just be left alone. I would actually feel a bit like Abe was wasting his collective time following the latest in 550 billion mac vs pc threads

about a week ago in one of the last threads on this topic I counted - on the front page aorund 40 thread, 33 of them were Live, music or technology based, 7 were OT and one of them was the thread it was in, an other 2 were taking the piss out of the OT threads - not a bit problem IMO

dude, dont click on the stupid threads - end of story

I don't really care as much as it might sound like. I just saw this thread and responded about how I feel about forums in general. You're right that the Ableton forums run themselves pretty well.

forge wrote:

hyerstay wrote:An Ableton rep should respond to this thread, but probably won't. (Prove me wrong!) A simple act of leadership like that is what I would like to see, a sign that they care about the forums and are responsive to the membership, in more ways than bug fixing. Just to be clear, I have tons of respect for Ableton and their staff. I just think that they need to realize that the tone of their forums reflects on their company. We need to have a specific person or persons to go to about problems with the forums or other members.

Hyerstay - you joined here a long time ago and I even remember you giving me mac advice years ago, but since then you obviously havent been around much to say all that. The Abes have stepped in when it was important and they have also answered in several of the other million threads on this topic - but you must realise that firstly this has been discussed a tedious amount of times and always been answered the same, so it doesnt make sense for them to waste valuable coding time flogging the same dead horse. Plus, the whole "camp ableton" thing was about acknowledging the strong community and they firmly believe in self regulation - and understand that many of the long term members help in that.

hyerstay wrote: I guess it comes down to leading by example. There are many places where an Ableton person should have stepped in on their own, but didn't. For example, in that last Mac vs. PCs thread, an Ableton rep should have PMed the thread starter about his flashing signature, and said to change it or it would be removed. I think the membership did well in calming things down, but by not dealing with that animated sig, we got pages of epileptic images that are totally agrivating. In fact, in that thread, I was more bothered by the images than the words, and I'm glad the thread started toned it all down by the end and went back to a single image sig.

Jason

honestly - you are talking about a mac vs pc thread - it's hardly an important use of forum time, and really people that keep them going should know better - so you cant really complain about that it should just be left alone. I would actually feel a bit like Abe was wasting his collective time following the latest in 550 billion mac vs pc threads

about a week ago in one of the last threads on this topic I counted - on the front page aorund 40 thread, 33 of them were Live, music or technology based, 7 were OT and one of them was the thread it was in, an other 2 were taking the piss out of the OT threads - not a bit problem IMO

dude, dont click on the stupid threads - end of story

Very well said Forge. Thank you for articulating that.

i'm quite enjoying the signal-to-noise ratio as is.

And there it is right there. The kind of respect that 6,000 posts should bring. Yes, thank you forge.

knotkranky wrote:And there it is right there. The kind of respect that 6,000 posts should bring. Yes, thank you forge.

dont - I already feel a bit embarrassed that I obviously crap on so much!

I am most certain, it's a gentlemen's ratio.

b0unce wrote:who gives a shit if someone with 5 posts wants an OT forum....

IMHO this is very big-headed!
Maybe some people rather spend more time in producing music and things like that then posting all day long...
This doesn't mean their opinion counts less than yours!

this is largely a social forum anyway. even the "old pros" post their idle thoughts and rants about ridiculous personal fetishes.


if you want a cold sterile support forum, you've come to the wrong company.

Live is ... live, social and human, and so is its forum.

While the most noise may be made by empty vessels, it isn't harming anyone else, so let these socially reclusive hermit DJs live out meaningless dialogues online if it makes them happy.

For those who get irritated by OT posts, here is a tip. READ THE SUBJECT BOX.

This forum is mildly moderated. We remove posts from spam bots, and we very rarely remove offensive posts. And in one or two cases we changed an offensive subject. But appart from this we really believe our users are adult persons and can speak for them selves.

If you want to increase the signal to noise ratio you can either ban OT threads or you can educate your comunity to use helpful subjects. If i find another "why is commodore better then texas instruments? " thread i can igore it. But if I have to click on a thread labeled "FUCKING PROBLEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" to find out that someone experiences hum on his microphone input i really waste my time.

Cheers,
Robert