Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:26 pm
systematic killing sucks

ethios4 wrote: Didn't know Saddam was using Live, now that he's dead....last I heard he was on decks...
Machinesworking wrote:Let me see if I can word this to make sense to those that think this was a good idea.
Every regime that lasts for twenty odd years has people who benefit from that regime. Those people will boil with hatred now.
Iraq did not attack the USA, we attacked them, and deposed a standing leader. Whether or not that leader is a good person has no bearing whatsoever on the repercussions of that action.
In many ways, this is the worst action to take, the fact is Saddam is not, and was not on trial at Nuremberg. This was not a trial set up by a government that was democratically elected in the purest sense of the term. There are supporters of Saddam, they don't get airtime. How many political candidates do you think ran that opposed US intervention, and were running on the promise of getting rid of the US military prescience?
bOunce's pit bull analogy is correct in the sense that we, the west don't even see that mid east as worthy of the same amount of respect we show other nations. Saddam as pit bull, a dog, trained badly, and to be put down, and the owners scolded, or maybe something of consequence, maybe.
the hangmen didn't even wear uniforms, it looked no different than the Al Qada snuff videos.... great.
a girl I know thinks this is the turning point in American history, that we crossed a line here, I agree.
It's not about Saddam, and whether or not he's a bad man, it's about our own actions, and what that says to the rest of the world.
Nothing can be further from the truth. extremist muslims hated Sadam just as much as anybody else. Maybe a few thousand Tikritis still give a shit about him. And anybody who hated us before today still hates us, nothing changes.4 Saddam is now a martyr for the extremists.
5 The terrorists who hated the West before today will really have an axe to grind now.
Adding fuel to the fire ALWAYS changes the numbers. Whether they hated Saddam or not doesn't matter, he was still arab, and we are not! Every time a foreign presence is responsible for regime change, and advocates capital punishment for the deposed leaders, you create more teenage extremists. I simply cannot fathom how you've managed to avoid that?M. Bréqs wrote:Nothing can be further from the truth. extremist muslims hated Sadam just as much as anybody else. Maybe a few thousand Tikritis still give a shit about him. And anybody who hated us before today still hates us, nothing changes.
Like I said above, new ones are created by actions we take today, that justify the extremists in any way.Ohhh, now they're REALLY mad. Well what the fuck were they yesterday? only mildly annoyed? please.
Saddam's execution will make no difference in Iraq. Not for the better, not for the worse, and idealogues on both sides (fantasy blinded doves and culturally ignorant hawks) are making a mountain out of a molehill.
I agree, capital punishment is an idea that looks good on paper, but in practice it creates more problems than it solves.FYI, I disagree with capital punishment for fundamental reasons. But to go doomsaying about the insurgency in Iraq is to attribute an effect to a non-cause.
His execution is about as important to the future of Iraq as when he was first caught... ie., not really.Machinesworking wrote:Adding fuel to the fire ALWAYS changes the numbers. Whether they hated Saddam or not doesn't matter, he was still arab, and we are not! Every time a foreign presence is responsible for regime change, and advocates capital punishment for the deposed leaders, you create more teenage extremists. I simply cannot fathom how you've managed to avoid that?[/qoute]M. Bréqs wrote:Nothing can be further from the truth. extremist muslims hated Sadam just as much as anybody else. Maybe a few thousand Tikritis still give a shit about him. And anybody who hated us before today still hates us, nothing changes.
The islamist insurgency/invasion in Iraq hates Saddam more than "we" ever did: He ran a secular regime and had Christians in his cabinet. The al-Qaeda and that lot, he was more Western than anything else... perhaps even an "example" to them of why non-Islamist rule doesn't work.
Killing Saddam might further polarise four of the six pan-arabists still alive today, but to be honest, I'm not even sure of that.
Saddam's execution will make no difference in Iraq. Not for the better, not for the worse, and idealogues on both sides (fantasy blinded doves and culturally ignorant hawks) are making a mountain out of a molehill.
Totally disagree, Saddam is now a martyr, he was, as you said earlier, a neo fascist socialist PITA to the fundamentalists before, now he is not. People are flexible in their thinking, and an enemy becomes an ally when faced with a greater threat, USSR and the USA against the nazis for instance, (and NO that shouldn't count as a WWII reference! )