Will you buy an iPad?

[Tone Deft]

OK, can you install Live (or any other DAW) on an iPad?

Nope. Doesn't matter to me in the least. They're 2 different things.

Yes, Live = a professional tool and iPad = toy.

No one here really has any idea if this device will be a toy or a useful new mobile platform so the speculation is silly until someone buys one. I might. The gaming demonstration showed off the touch screen technology which immediately made me want to use Ableton Live on it. The connections are limited to a docking station and camera\usb adapters but who knows what is in development? (Certainly nobody here does unless you work for Apple) I would not be surprised if Ableton is already developing an iPad version of Live to be sold through the App Store. Hopefully hardware support for an audio interface will be developed. I don't know if you could push BlueTooth or Wireless bandwidth to accommodate audio streaming at a useful rate but 24bit 96khz seems reasonable? Anyone know of a bluetooth or wireless audio interface?

Gerald - you have to realize that just because it looks like a computer doesn't mean it is one. there are broad ranges of computers, from the chip that's inside your microwave oven to the big ass servers that Ableton programmers use to compile code on.

the Launch Pad does not have a beefy microprocessor in it. I don't know how it rates, Apple is using a chip made by a Pennsylvania company they bought a while back. it's just a dinky ARM uC running at 1GHz. Live barely runs on our 2GHz dual core machines, there's no way it will ever run ON a the iFad. my bet is that it will have the horsepower to keep with with graphics to show what's going on in Live on your computer but it will not run Live. the bottleneck will be getting graphical data into the iFad.

you bet Ableton is writing a version of Live for the iFad? no way that's happening. in case you didn't notice, they've humbly stated they need to fix Live for regular computers, forget an iFad version. that will never happen. users will probably make something like touchOSC that will bring the Live graphics to the iFad but that's about it.

[Tarekith]

Agreed. People who think Live will run day run on this are kidding themselves. Maybe a different product similar to Live, but as it stands now there's way you could realistically run the app as it stands.

As for Jazzmutant, I personally think they'd be INSANE to not create a Lemur app for the iPad RIGHT NOW. If they don't, someone else will, and at least that will give them a chance to stay afloat and continue as a business. I mean, if someone comes out with an app that's even close to what the Lemur will do, why would someone pay 4x as much for a smaller screen with lower resolution and less touch sensitivity in a bigger package? The writing's been on the wall for awhile now in terms of how much longer the Lemur was going to be viable at that price. The only thing that seperates it from any other multi-touch tablet now is the software, so they better move to maintain than dominance.

[beats me]

And my post above about the Lemur being overpriced wasn't meant to kick sand in the faces of those that bought a Lemur. I bet it was great to have that technology the last three years. My post was just meant to point out the fact that Jazz Mutant can no longer justify selling it for $1,999 (and they honestly can't justify a 75% off price cut and sell it for $499 either.) They are in a real tough position with this one. I can't see how they stay afloat unless they shift their focus to software/app building.

I had it from a good source a few years ago that jazzmutant saw the future of their company being more about licensing their software and technology than being in the hardware business, their largest expense. Whether that means something like an iPad app or partnering with other companies, who knows, but they saw this type thing coming down the road long before the iPad.

[hoffman2k]

And my post above about the Lemur being overpriced wasn't meant to kick sand in the faces of those that bought a Lemur. I bet it was great to have that technology the last three years. My post was just meant to point out the fact that Jazz Mutant can no longer justify selling it for $1,999 (and they honestly can't justify a 75% off price cut and sell it for $499 either.) They are in a real tough position with this one. I can't see how they stay afloat unless they shift their focus to software/app building.

I had it from a good source a few years ago that jazzmutant saw the future of their company being more about licensing their software and technology than being in the hardware business, their largest expense. Whether that means something like an iPad app or partnering with other companies, who knows, but they saw this type thing coming down the road long before the iPad.

http://www.stantum.com/en/

[thelike5]

And my post above about the Lemur being overpriced wasn't meant to kick sand in the faces of those that bought a Lemur. I bet it was great to have that technology the last three years. My post was just meant to point out the fact that Jazz Mutant can no longer justify selling it for $1,999 (and they honestly can't justify a 75% off price cut and sell it for $499 either.) They are in a real tough position with this one. I can't see how they stay afloat unless they shift their focus to software/app building.

I had it from a good source a few years ago that jazzmutant saw the future of their company being more about licensing their software and technology than being in the hardware business, their largest expense. Whether that means something like an iPad app or partnering with other companies, who knows, but they saw this type thing coming down the road long before the iPad.

Yeah, I'm sure they would be blind not to have seen it. It was just a matter of time. An ipad, plus a Lemur app and a nice case/enclosure for the ipad (I can only begin to imagine what cases will look like for this thing) will be the way to go for the forseeable future. Heck, NOvation sells an Automap app. The Ipad will be KILLER.

[Tone Deft]

http://www.stantum.com/en/

http://www.betanews.com/article/A-look- ... 1264654333
Archos 7, Nokia N900, Viliv X70 EX

http://www.pradeepsethi.com/blog/gadget ... petitiors/
Freescale Smartbook, Joojoo, Dell Slate, Microsoft Courier

then there's the Kindle, the HP Slate.

[beats me]

And my post above about the Lemur being overpriced wasn't meant to kick sand in the faces of those that bought a Lemur. I bet it was great to have that technology the last three years. My post was just meant to point out the fact that Jazz Mutant can no longer justify selling it for $1,999 (and they honestly can't justify a 75% off price cut and sell it for $499 either.) They are in a real tough position with this one. I can't see how they stay afloat unless they shift their focus to software/app building.

I had it from a good source a few years ago that jazzmutant saw the future of their company being more about licensing their software and technology than being in the hardware business, their largest expense. Whether that means something like an iPad app or partnering with other companies, who knows, but they saw this type thing coming down the road long before the iPad.

Yeah, I'm sure they would be blind not to have seen it. It was just a matter of time. An ipad, plus a Lemur app and a nice case/enclosure for the ipad (I can only begin to imagine what cases will look like for this thing) will be the way to go for the forseeable future. Heck, NOvation sells an Automap app. The Ipad will be KILLER.

I got the impression that even jazzmutant was frustrated with the high price of the components they had to buy to make lemurs. They by no means were making money hand over fist. A majority of what you are charged is based on their hardware overhead and you weren't getting charged an elite tax. I'm sure Apple had to spend a ton of money on R&D to make a multi-touch (not just touch) screen.

[thelike5]

And my post above about the Lemur being overpriced wasn't meant to kick sand in the faces of those that bought a Lemur. I bet it was great to have that technology the last three years. My post was just meant to point out the fact that Jazz Mutant can no longer justify selling it for $1,999 (and they honestly can't justify a 75% off price cut and sell it for $499 either.) They are in a real tough position with this one. I can't see how they stay afloat unless they shift their focus to software/app building.

I had it from a good source a few years ago that jazzmutant saw the future of their company being more about licensing their software and technology than being in the hardware business, their largest expense. Whether that means something like an iPad app or partnering with other companies, who knows, but they saw this type thing coming down the road long before the iPad.

http://www.stantum.com/en/

Yeah, but nobody is writing apps for this like they will for Apple!! That is the main point I am trying to make. Apple has taken the Honda/Toyota approach always been about taking someones elses idea, more/less perfecting it and getting everyone else to follow.

I doesn't matter if Stantum or Chevy or Nomad came first. If nobody supports it it either evolves or it dies.

[beats me]

And my post above about the Lemur being overpriced wasn't meant to kick sand in the faces of those that bought a Lemur. I bet it was great to have that technology the last three years. My post was just meant to point out the fact that Jazz Mutant can no longer justify selling it for $1,999 (and they honestly can't justify a 75% off price cut and sell it for $499 either.) They are in a real tough position with this one. I can't see how they stay afloat unless they shift their focus to software/app building.

I had it from a good source a few years ago that jazzmutant saw the future of their company being more about licensing their software and technology than being in the hardware business, their largest expense. Whether that means something like an iPad app or partnering with other companies, who knows, but they saw this type thing coming down the road long before the iPad.

http://www.stantum.com/en/

Interesting. How long has that been around?

[condra]

Maybe ABLETON should develop an iPad app for controlling Live.

[thelike5]

I got the impression that even jazzmutant was frustrated with the high price of the components they had to buy to make lemurs. They by no means were making money hand over fist. A majority of what you are charged is based on their hardware overhead and you weren't getting charged an elite tax. I'm sure Apple had to spend a ton of money on R&D to make a multi-touch (not just touch) screen.

I'm sure your impressions are correct; I doubt they were making a killing but they were overpriced nontheless. If your company can't negotitate cheaper componenets and is only making a couple hundered per Lemur that doesn't leave much left over for advertising or gasp; software development.

I'm sure Apple's R&D on this thing is through the roof.

None of this comes as a shock to me? As I stated in another post you need to evolve or you die. It's as simple as that. Jazz Mutant will need to abandon the hardware side of the LEmur and switch its focus on the software side of things and develop the Lemur App. The introduction of the Ipad killed their company as things stand today. It severly hurt the Kindle too but let's face it, the Kindle is half the price of the Ipad and is a one trick Pont. Plus Amazon profitted nicely for a few years. Ipad is going to be a major industry shaker. No dount about it.

[beats me]

Winter NAMM 2011 theme: There's an app for that.

[thelike5]

Maybe ABLETON should develop an iPad app for controlling Live.

Maybe they are working on it right now? Could be a nice start to the whole Max over Live relationship with Cycling 74

[thelike5]

http://www.stantum.com/en/

http://www.betanews.com/article/A-look- ... 1264654333
Archos 7, Nokia N900, Viliv X70 EX

http://www.pradeepsethi.com/blog/gadget ... petitiors/
Freescale Smartbook, Joojoo, Dell Slate, Microsoft Courier

then there's the Kindle, the HP Slate.

Yeah, and all those devices have all this great software support and are open to thousands of different programmers... right....

[hoffman2k]

I had it from a good source a few years ago that jazzmutant saw the future of their company being more about licensing their software and technology than being in the hardware business, their largest expense. Whether that means something like an iPad app or partnering with other companies, who knows, but they saw this type thing coming down the road long before the iPad.

http://www.stantum.com/en/

Interesting. How long has that been around?

A couple of years. At least since the Jeff Hann demo.
The point was more that what you said isn't a rumor. Read the link backwards